The real Problem are the Anti Israel Palestinians.

[dad2]

Describing a war Israel undertook to deefend againat fiture attack as targeting children is antisemitic.

Pretending the children are guilty and that mass murdering them is a false position. Thinking that you can simply call the torture and starvation and mass displacement and mass murders a war and label anyone that disagrees antisemtic is wrong

You can't even come to terms with the fact that Palestine committed mass murder and kidnapped civilians (including clouding two toddlers) which sparked the war.

Your demonizing victims and slander continues. The people living in Gaza did no such thing.

The reason is you have accepted Islamic antisemitic propaganda.

You call call the truth any dirty names you like.

Oh, you say, Palestine did not attack Israel...it was some shadow organization....not the Palestinian government and soldiers comprised of the citizens of Gaza....and the civilians in Gaza?....no..they did not celebrate, call for the death of Jews and Anericans world wide, call for the destruction of Israel...

What they thought or felt when the armed group tried to liberate the hostages in Israel is not our business. No excuse to mass murder them!

You are antisemitic because of your discrimination and hatred of Jewish people (men, women, children, and babies).

Another outright slanderous lie. I never even thought of hating Jews! What a lame attempt to justify the mass murders

You choose to support an ideology that seeks to murder Jews and Americans, that treats women as inferior in worth than men, that seeks the destruction of Israel.

Another bold faced lie. I already explained that my ideology is only Christian.

 

[JonC]

Pretending the children are guilty and that mass murdering them is a false position. Thinking that you can simply call the torture and starvation and mass displacement and mass murders a war and label anyone that disagrees antisemtic is wrong

Your demonizing victims and slander continues. The people living in Gaza did no such thing.

You call call the truth any dirty names you like.


What they thought or felt when the armed group tried to liberate the hostages in Israel is not our business. No excuse to mass murder them!

Another outright slanderous lie. I never even thought of hating Jews! What a lame attempt to justify the mass murders


Another bold faced lie. I already explained that my ideology is only Christian.

(I'm only going to respond to the last post you post in a series).

No. The Palestines that were and are still firing rockets into Israel from Gaza lived in Gaza. The Palestinians who built explosives in apartments in Gaza lived in Gaza. The Hamas officers who were also hospital workers in Gaza were living in Gaza. The Hasmas soldiers who were citizens of Gaza were also living in Gaza.

The citizens of Gaza who celebrated the mass murder were living in Gaza.

War is not mass murder (by biblical definition). Israel struck the military significant targets, which were by concent of the people of Gaza in civilian locations.

To be fair, in Gaza there were no civilian location. They were civilian/ military locations.

The people wanted Hamas as their government for a reason. Hamas supported their ideology.

Do you hate Jews? Yes, I think that is obvious.

Did you celebrate when Palestine murdered 1,200 civilians and kidnapped 130 more (to include little children)? I don't know. Given your posts I believe you probably did, but I do not know as a fact.


The Palestines are in control of their own situation. If they want you prevent deaths and end the war all they have to do is return the hostages.

All the citizens of Gaza had to do was tell Istael where the hostages were being hid within Gaza (they knew because they were among the peoole).

The guilt is on Palestine. They can easily end the war. But their hatred for Israel will not allow it. Their ideology is for the larger Muslim influence. It always has been.

Why you are not simply calling for the people of Gaza to give up the hostages and end the war is beyond me. But I believe it is because of your hatred for Jewish children.

 

[dad2]

(I'm only going to respond to the last post you post in a series).

No. The Palestines that were and are still firing rockets into Israel from Gaza lived in Gaza. The Palestinians who built explosives in apartments in Gaza lived in Gaza. The Hamas officers who were also hospital workers in Gaza were living in Gaza. The Hasmas soldiers who were citizens of Gaza were also living in Gaza.

The citizens of Gaza who celebrated the mass murder were living in Gaza.

War is not mass murder (by biblical definition). Israel struck the military significant targets, which were by concent of the people of Gaza in civilian locations.

To be fair, in Gaza there were no civilian location. They were civilian/ military locations.

The people wanted Hamas as their government for a reason. Hamas supported their ideology.

Do you hate Jews? Yes, I think that is obvious.

Did you celebrate when Palestine murdered 1,200 civilians and kidnapped 130 more (to include little children)? I don't know. Given your posts I believe you probably did, but I do not know as a fact.


The Palestines are in control of their own situation. If they want you prevent deaths and end the war all they have to do is return the hostages.

All the citizens of Gaza had to do was tell Istael where the hostages were being hid within Gaza (they knew because they were among the peoole).

The guilt is on Palestine. They can easily end the war. But their hatred for Israel will not allow it. Their ideology is for the larger Muslim influence.

I think we may disagree on the way we see the mass murders. Cheers

 

[JonC]

I think we may disagree on the way we see the mass murders. Cheers

I don't believe we do. I think our disagreement is simply one of definitions. This is because you are antisemitic.

You indicate through your posts (especially your questions) that Gaza was justified in committing mass murder because those murdered, although civilians and children, were Jewish. Therefore Israel replying with war to mass murder is mass murder itself.

Where we actually disagree is that I believe Palestinian and Israeli lives are of equal value where as you present Jewish children as a little less than human, and therefore not worth defending if it results in war.


All Palestines have to do is return the hostages.

Israel is actually justified in continuing its war until the hostages are returned. Israel would be justified in completely destroying the Palestines because of their mass murder, but Israel is merely asking for the hostages to be returned.

 

[dad2]

I don't believe we do. I think our disagreement is simply one of definitions. This is because you are antisemitic.

You indicate through your posts (especially your questions) that Gaza was justified in committing mass murder because those murdered, although civilians and children, were Jewish. Therefore Israel replying with war to mass murder is mass murder itself.

Where we actually disagree is that I believe Palestinian and Israeli lives are of equal value where as you present Jewish children as a little less than human, and therefore not worth defending if it results in war.


All Palestines have to do is return the hostages.

Israel is actually justified in continuing its war until the hostages are returned. Israel would be justified in completely destroying the Palestines because of their mass murder, but Israel is merely asking for the hostages to be returned.

Funny the mods seem to be the majority posters here. Ha

 

[37818]

@dad2's arguments do not make sense to me. Some 21% of Israel's citizens are Arabs and 82.9% of them are Muslim.

 

[JonC]

Funny the mods seem to be the majority posters here. Ha

Except we are not, but it is very telling you believe so.

Many members have already pointed out your hatred for Jewish people. I am not sure why they pointed it out as your hatred seems very much on the surface.


You do not like the fact that Palestine committed mass murder on Oct 7 because it was only the Palestinian government and soldiers.

Apply that to your argument that Israel, by waging war, is killing people.

Your argument is dishonest.

The majority of the citizens of Israel are not waging war against Palestine. It is the government and its military. But you say "Israel".

A major difference is where the citizens of Gaza celebrated when they committed mass murder the majority of Israel expresses grief at the human loss (a difference in ideologies).

But you do need to be more honest on this board.

If it was only the Palestinian government and Palestine military - Not Palestine - that committed that mass murder then it is dishonest to say Israel killed anybody in war.

The fact is, however, that you are defending the murder of 1,200 civilians and the kidnapping of 130 civilians while crying that Israel decided to defend against thos happening again and fight until Palestine returns the hostages.

 

[JonC]

Funny the mods seem to be the majority posters here. Ha

Have you ever considered that instead if hating a people group your position may be a lot better if you simply wanted Palestine to return the people they kidnapped and the war end?

 

[xlsdraw]

It was Palestine. It was the Palestinian government and the people of Palestine. The people of Gaza were the terrorists. The people of Gaza actually celebrated when the mass murders occurred.

The rockets and explosives that Gaza were using were being assembled by the people of Gaza in the apartment buildings where the people of Gaza lived.

The people of Gaza are still holding hostages (not long ago the people of Gaza murdered hostages that they were hiding in a refugee camp to prevent rescue).

The people of Gaza built tunnels under their city to facilitate terroristic activities.

The people of Gaza used schools, apartments, and hospitals as their military infrastructure.


You are ignorant to pretend that these terrorists entered Gaza and then simply went on to Israel.

Palestine committed mass murder. These were people of Gaza. This was the Palestinian government chosen and supported by the people, manned by the people.

That was a qoute from the dad person.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When one state goes into another and murders 1,200 civilians, kidnaps 130, after years of sporadic missile attacks war is bound to happen.

Heck, if Canada just fired 5 rockets at New Jersey we'd be at war with Canada.

War was inevitable when Palestine committed mass murder. Israel was obligated to do all it could to prevent future mass murders.

I'm sure you also remember the PLO and rise of Hamas (you are older than me....a geezer ). I think anybody over 50 realizes what woukd have happened had Israel not chosen war.

You are right about evil in the world. It is easy for us to see Palestine as evil because we know it's history. All of the resources Pakestine has been given has been put into terrorism.

But Israel (like the United States, UK, Canada, etc.) is not Christian. In the world we will have war.

And I will not participate in it. If I wanted to be my old self and kill again, I would do that for worldly profit, my own profit… not this governments and not any other government either, I’ve enough blood on my hands. However and for what ever reason I’ve been graced with conscience and spiritual renewal. If the world wants to kill one another so be it, I no longer answer to it and my allegiance is not to it. My allegiances are to God and then my family & my own freedom to honor them.

 

[JonC]

And I will not participate in it. If I wanted to be my old self and kill again, I would do that for worldly profit, my own profit… not this governments and not any other government either, I’ve enough blood on my hands. However and for what ever reason I’ve been graced with conscience and spiritual renewal. If the world wants to kill one another so be it, I no longer answer to it and my allegiance is not to it. My allegiances are to God and then my family & my own freedom to honor them.

I as well (I refrain from politics).

When I say Israel is justified in the war I don't mean they are a just country.

An athiest heart surgeon and an atheist abortion doctor are both unjustified themselves, but we can speak of the abortion doctor as being evil in a way that the heart surgeon is not when comparing the two.

In this case, Palestine is evil. They committed mass murder causing a war they could end simply by returning the hostages. Israel's demand that their people be returned for war to end is not an unreasonable demand.

But I agree with you. I also have no desire to be "of the World" and government into battle...or...limp into battle very slowly.

 

[Logos1560]

Yahya Sinwar’s post-death plans show he and Hamas NEVER wanted the war to end

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yea well….

of course, American support and rockets .Hopefully Trump will be relelected and will deal with it cause you can’t trust Bombs away Biden.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yea well….

of course, American support and rockets .Hopefully Trump will be relelected and will deal with it cause you can’t trust Bombs away Biden.

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