It can be easily worked out.
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The reason Baptist preachers teach tithing
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You do not know what you are talking about.
If a church grows too big it should divide.
I very much like that Idea. In fact I believe it is best to send out a group of 50 once the church reaches 250. Develop the group, have them put together a search committee if a pastor was not able to be discipled within the church, and once leadership is in place then send them to their own property and let them go.
You have to have a group willing to go.
You don't need any choirs, praise teams, bands, etc. We have a small electonic organ, my last church had a grand piano. but even that is not stictly necessary. Many churches in Scotland sing unacompanied
Yes I do.
If you have the people to justify two services and can not logistically make it work, you are a poor planner. The people who have multiple services face the same obstacles you or anyone else faces. They look for solutions, not excuses.
I don't know of any Baptist Church that preaches tithing.
Our baprist church pastor told me recently that they have had charismatics come to the church and say to him, "You haven't asked to see my paycheque." It seems they have to show it to their pastor so he can see if they tithe."
In our last church some would not pay directly into the church bank account, so it could claim their tax back, as they said we shouldn't let their left hand know what their right hand is doing. As tgreasurer at that church I knew how much that those who wanted the church to get their tax refunded paid, but no one else did.
Our baprist church pastor told me recently that they have had charismatics come to the church and say to him, "You haven't asked to see my paycheque." It seems they have to show it to their pastor so he can see if they tithe."
In our last church some would not pay directly into the church bank account, so it could claim their tax back, as they said we shouldn't let their left hand know what their right hand is doing. As tgreasurer at that church I knew how much that those who wanted the church to get their tax refunded paid, but no one else did.
The teaching of the New Testament tithe is rooted in the nicolaitan doctrine of ruler-ship over large groups of people. In order to have the ruler-ship over large amounts of people the early hirelings had to dissuade home churches growing house to house, neighborhood to neighborhood, community to community as modeled in Acts and the Epistles.
This is what turned the known world upside-down for Christ in the first centuries. Satan's nicolaitan masterpiece around 310 AD stopped this spreading out of true Christianity and replaced it with tabernacles ruled over by mammon loving, "spiritually" superior men who demanded the spread stop ensuring that they then be looked upon as the authority over faith and practice for large geographical areas. This roman state apostasy has continued since then and continues today in all so-called "christian" denominations. These days the "call" by God is no more than a career track out of high school or college (whether "christian" or public) just like every secular occupation with worldly credentialing. They demand a non-existent New Testament tithe to pay for their over administered empires instead of openly sharing resources among the brethren (having all things common).....
The supernatural "calling" of God for men to pastor a church is nicolaitan doctrine and all sects buy into it. It provides "greatest among us" status and legitimacy for ruler-ship over large groups. Scripture is clear that no local NT pastor was ever supernaturally called as the Apostles were. Look for one example, you won't find it. Nicolaitan pastors in their man-empire building tabernacles constantly apply to themselves the Scriptures that clearly applied historically only to Apostles and Prophets. This is Apostolic Succession-ism cleverly concealed in tradition and widely accepted practice. The Scriptural fact is that pastors are no more called directly by God than deacons. They are both chosen by men only and require the adjudication of qualifications by men.
Nowhere in Scripture were Prophets or Apostles chosen by men nor required adjudication by men. God corrected men's error of Matthias with Paul.
The death of the New Testament church.
This is what turned the known world upside-down for Christ in the first centuries. Satan's nicolaitan masterpiece around 310 AD stopped this spreading out of true Christianity and replaced it with tabernacles ruled over by mammon loving, "spiritually" superior men who demanded the spread stop ensuring that they then be looked upon as the authority over faith and practice for large geographical areas. This roman state apostasy has continued since then and continues today in all so-called "christian" denominations. These days the "call" by God is no more than a career track out of high school or college (whether "christian" or public) just like every secular occupation with worldly credentialing. They demand a non-existent New Testament tithe to pay for their over administered empires instead of openly sharing resources among the brethren (having all things common).....
The supernatural "calling" of God for men to pastor a church is nicolaitan doctrine and all sects buy into it. It provides "greatest among us" status and legitimacy for ruler-ship over large groups. Scripture is clear that no local NT pastor was ever supernaturally called as the Apostles were. Look for one example, you won't find it. Nicolaitan pastors in their man-empire building tabernacles constantly apply to themselves the Scriptures that clearly applied historically only to Apostles and Prophets. This is Apostolic Succession-ism cleverly concealed in tradition and widely accepted practice. The Scriptural fact is that pastors are no more called directly by God than deacons. They are both chosen by men only and require the adjudication of qualifications by men.
Nowhere in Scripture were Prophets or Apostles chosen by men nor required adjudication by men. God corrected men's error of Matthias with Paul.
The death of the New Testament church.
Yes!
Charles Spurgeon, "The Waterer Watered":
"It is with cheerfulness that we dismiss our twelves, our twenties, our fifties, to form other Churches. We encourage our members to leave us to found other Churches; nay, we seek to persuade them to do it."
30 bucks?? Wow. Thats rather expensive
When you are part of more multiple churches that have grown from one ser
I am now dumber for having read this
Perhaps that is the needed step for you friend.
alexander284
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I guess it's different in the United States. I don't know of any Baptist church that doesn't teach tithing!
Whatever you just said makes absolutely no sense.
It doesnt. I started to respond to you but decided against it. Then later i decided to respond to the other person and the attempt to respond to you was left in the text box. I didnt see it before hitting post. Just ignore it.
drivenfuture
Member
this isn't really limited to baptists...
however, there is some discrepancy as to what various churches believe, and even what the Bible says--which the Bible is actually in opposition to most churches!
The most common American teachings you'll get are this:
1. 10% is the minimum.
2. If you give beyond your means, God will open the storehouse/floodgates; or God will bless you beyond measure. (Another word for this is prosperity gospel).
However, the Bible teaches, in regards to offerings, in the O.T. there are 17 times offerings are described as freewill offerings--in other words sacrifices to God...generally as atonement for their sins. In the N.T. we see some tithes in the form of bread, and still others giving every last penny.
The one common bond between all of this is that we are to give sacrificially. It would not be loving to expect a minimum age employee to give all of his offering to a church that would then be used by the pastor to purchase a lambhorgini to drive to a poor city to preach more on giving to the church.
One good practice by churches is to regularly update members on their budget; in this way the pastor can be held accountable.
God expects all to be givers to some degree, proportionally based upon their incomes, while he also will bless few with means to really give financially, as that would be their primary gift, to give back to His work!
Never a give to get back, as God wants and delights in those who gave out of love for Him and desire to please Him, and he will handle their rewards, many times in ways far better than just cash back!
evenifigoalone
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While a portion of the tithe goes to pay the preacher, a lot of it goes towards missionaries and the like. It also covers the building's utilities expenses. If you want a functioning church building and if you want to support missions, tithing is pretty much a must.
And the pastor has a full time job being a pastor, it's not just preaching on Sundays. So it's only fair he gets paid a salary since he has no other means to support himself.
And the pastor has a full time job being a pastor, it's not just preaching on Sundays. So it's only fair he gets paid a salary since he has no other means to support himself.
"A lot" going to missions would in actuality be "a pittance" for most churches. Most church budgets contain a tiny percentage for missions. When you break that category down by line item, a considerable portion of that amount becomes self consumed. An in depth analysis of the detailed (not summary) church budget is always enlightening.
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Our church group requires their Baptist churches to tithe/budget at least 11 % towards missions....