Oh yes I heard PM preach once. But I wasn't aware he taught tithing. But I don't suppose he wants to see the member's paychecks, or insisted upon them. but taught that they should, which is different. Our current pastor was an assistant to PM at the Tab until he was called to a nearby London church, then to our church.
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The reason Baptist preachers teach tithing
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Oh yes I heard PM preach once. But I wasn't aware he taught tithing. But I don't suppose he wants to see the member's paychecks, or insisted upon them. but taught that they should, which is different. Our current pastor was an assistant to PM at the Tab until he was called to a nearby London church, then to our church.
alexander284
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I'm not a bit surprised!
When someone tells me that, I respond that next time I plunder an area, kill the people, and take the spoils, I will look up a local priest and give him a tenth. It's all under grace-- not law-- as the point is made.
37818
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I have a few names to call you too.
Dave G
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I agree.
The tenth is a good place to start if one is monitoring their giving to God.
But according to the New Testament in Christ's blood, we as believers are not under the Law, we are under grace and Christ's finished work on the cross for us.
As I see it, true giving is prescribed in 2 Corinthians 9...
" But this [I say], He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God [is] able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all [things], may abound to every good work:
9 (as it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for [your] food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;
11 being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;" ( 2 Corinthians 9:6-12 ).
The tenth was for the support of the temple and its priests under the Law of Moses.
Not to extort the New Testament believer to pay the salaries of a "pyramid" business model styled more as a corporation, and not the family of spiritual brothers and sisters ( who love each other and their Savior ) that it is.
Giving is to meet the needs of fellow believers and to show the grace of God to the world's poor...
Not to make ( what ought to be ) humble and God-trusting-for-every-need pastors and teachers, rich and comfortable;
Or to build up a huge "work for God" like so many in this day and age try to do.
There's a reason it's called "filthy lucre", and that believers are not to be greedy of it...
Because the love of money is the root of all kinds of God-honoring and selfless behavior , isn't it?
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37818
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The tithe under the Law, Malachi 3:8-10, ". . . Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. . . ." I have also heard this at a Baptist church preached too.
I never agreed with that preaching. We are not under the Law to do storehouse tithing. Galatians 3:10-13, ". . . For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. . . .
. . . .Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: . . . "
I never agreed with that preaching. We are not under the Law to do storehouse tithing. Galatians 3:10-13, ". . . For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. . . .
. . . .Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: . . . "
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Tithe, circumcision, and Sabbath are among things that existed in pagan cultures that God took, tweaked/changed, and repurposed its new application for the Jews to use under Mosaic law. Tithe, for example, was given to magistrates, especially one crossing or using their land (tribute money). Abram did such when he squatted on the kings dale. Pointing to this societal custom and saying, "And this was before the Torah," to justify borrowing cherry-picked principles from Moses to apply to the Body of Christ reveals a level of not understanding the situation they are using to justify themselves.
Let's hear them.
37818
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In one word, barbarian.
There are many ways to give and the rewards are the same We cannot out give God. Everything I've given has come back to me 10 times over. I try to look at it lie this. Tithing is a Jewish thing like Saturday worship. Besides Christians are not under the Law. They are under GRACE
MB
37818
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Abraham was a barbarian?
37818
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Abraham was a Hebrew, Genesis 14:13. Do you consider to be Hebrew to be a barbarian?
Nope. And if that is true, and I do what Abraham did-- attack towns, kill the people and take the spoils and give a local priest a tenth-- then I would not be a barbarian...unless Abraham also was. Yet you put that name to me.
Yes or No: was Abraham a barbarian?
Yes or No: am I a barbarian?
37818
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37818
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Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek who is a type of Christ (Hebrews 7:3), and for which Christ is made our High Priest. Hebrews 6:20.
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So, are you going give the local priest a tenth next time you kill and plunder?