Oh you're one of those "if you don't agree with me you're anti-so and so" people.
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The Reprobate Calvinist
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What must be understood is that the work of Christ was accepted by the Father in eternity, not in time.
Think of it this way. God is sitting at a table with a yardstick laying on it. The yardstick is the timeline from eternity past to eternity future (and, yes, I am aware eternity has no past or future, but we still have to put it into words we can understand). God, sitting at that table is not limited by the time represented by the yardstick. He can touch Adam, and the last man converted before the consummation of the age, at the same time!
So, as the Father accepted the sacrifice of Christ in eternity He can, from eternity, apply it to anyone anywhere on the time line.
Thus the Old Testament saints were regenerated exactly the same way we are. It makes no difference if the New Covenant began in eternity past in the mind of God, or at the birth of Christ, or at the death of the Testator. God still is able to apply atonement from that New Covenant sacrifice at any place along the time line.
Maybe that's why Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The O.T. saints were saved by grace through faith, and that not of themselves. They looked forward as we look back.
What part of man was not affected by the fall and thus can come to God on its own merits?
Yeah we understand that...it's Steaver (who claims he has a better understanding of God's eternal plan) that doesn't.
I know.
I believe that is what you began your last post with....so I guess you are talking about yourself, correct?
You did not answer my question. So what is it you see as the OT saints having not received prior to the cross?Maybe that's why Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The O.T. saints were saved by grace through faith, and that not of themselves. They looked forward as we look back.
No one can come to God on his own merits. This is a false premise. One is saved by grace alone through faith alone.
How did you get that from my last post??? Never mind, probably the same way you got that man isn't depraved from reading the Bible.
Short memory there brother......
You admitted to being anti-Calvinist. I commented that your anti-Calvinism (which you admitted to) is making you anti-Biblical. I haven't made a claim to be anti-Arminianism.
Oh! Then you are pro Arminianism. Good. How could I be anti-Calvinism and pro-Calvinism at the same time?
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So you agree with Total Depravity. One down, 4 to go.
Martin's post doesn't reference the correct passage.
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It all boils down to calvinism's version verses the bible's version. I believe in the bible's version of depravity.So you agree with Total Depravity. One down, 4 to go.
Me too. The "T" of TULIP IS the bible's version.
A small sect of Christians do believe that to be true. I have thoroughly researched it and find TULIP's version to be incorrect.
So you're on of those either/or guys huh?
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