The Restrainer

[OfLivingWaters]

You get sillier as you go. There are no Edomites any more. God said He'd end them, & He did. They're gone now, part of history, not still here under some other name.

Modern Israel is a JEWISH nation, while the Palestinians are mostly various Ishmaelites, and also with Philistine blood. They're old enemies of the jews, & will continue to be.

And I don't begin to deny there is a great series of cataclysms coming, all parts of the "great tribulation". However, there won't be any real "falling stars". They'll be METEORS. Earth could fall into a star,(but won't) but not vice versa.

And Satan was cast down to earth long ago.

1 Peter 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

It is just this simple did God call Esau Edom? Edom means Red
Genesis 36:7-9
Esau's Descendants
…7For their possessions were too great for them to dwell together; the land where they stayed could not support them because of their livestock. 8So Esau (that is, Edom) settled in the hill country of Seir. 9This is the account of Esau, the father of the Edomites, in the hill country of Seir.…

Are you saying that all of the lineage of Esau are dead? If you are then I will not even go there with you.

You are a racist also. There are Christian Jews and Palestinian Christians who are not enemies. And also, the Land of Caanan stretched far and wide in which the Israelites inhabited because God gave them the land. And news flash not everyone of the Arab race is a descendant of Ishmael. And regardless Esau married of whom the Israelites were forbidden to. No one can deny that unless they are mentally impaired and can not help themselves.

As with all the Jews throughout history, the Descendants of Esau simply migrated and throughout time ended up in various regions of the world . Through displacement by war and being conquered repeatedly both those of Jacob's lineage and Esau's have been scattered and yes brought back. God knows His. He will separate the sheep from the goats. I show love to all even my enemies , that by NOT being hateful to them as they are to my Christian Jewish brothers and sisters and all Christians in general.
Lastly "Palestine" was Not always called Palestine and changed names prior to that name, many times depending on who conquered that region. It was at one time a purely Israelite inhabited land too after the expulsion of the many enemies of the one true God. It's various name changes were fostered by, as I said - many invaders from the Babylonians , Persians , Greeks and Rome. During the Roman occupation it was renamed Palestine. Hence why it is spelled in LATIN form. During the Roman occupation there were many nomadic groups . Rome was not for that because it wanted an account of all people in its conquered kingdoms settled. Those who were to settle in the land renamed PALESTINE, therefore became known as Palestinians. That did not consist of only Arabs either nor simply children of Ishmael.

Roman rule was nevertheless troubled by several Jewish revolts, to which Rome answered with the Sack of Jerusalem, the second destruction of the Temple, and the deportation of the Jews. After the final Bar Kokhba revolt Hadrian joined the provinces of Judaea and Syria to form Syria Palaestina. Later, with the Christianization of the Roman Empire Palestine became a center of Christianity, attracting numerous monks and religious scholars.

It wasn't until the Muslim ARABS came about and invaded Palestine that Islam took root. But not before slaughtering the Christians and/or forcing conversion with threat of death. But Christianity no matter how small survived .For today there is a large Christian community in Palestine, who are being made to suffer because of this Arab , Jew thing.

In any case, the seed of Abraham shall inherit the Land as God promised and that does not consist of only JEWS because Christ and His prophets said that Abraham would have offspring that will come from another house, Hence the grafted in ones. You have no idea what is coming and I am not going to reveal the prophecy to you. But key words ( The land of Caanan will be given to Abraham and his seed forever.) What is going on and escalating there is just a blip in God's radar. It will bring about God's greater purpose.
Zechariah 12:2-
Jerusalem will be Attacked
…2“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples. Judah will be besieged, as well as Jerusalem. 3On that day, when all the nations of the earth gather against her, I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who would heave it away will be severely injured. 4On that day, declares the LORD, I will strike every horse with panic, and every rider with madness. I will keep a watchful eye on the house of Judah, but I will strike with blindness all the horses of the nations.…

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Oh by the way some more of that prophetic imagery , obviously the horses are men's machines of war. But who want's to fight over trifles. Fiery comets ( burning brightly) looking like fallen stars, tomato , tomahto. Yah know.

 

[robycop3]

God prophesied the end of Edom in Jeremiah 49, Ezekiel 25, & verses of Daniel, Obadiah, & Malachi. In the 1st & 2nd centuries ADm the last of them married off into other peoples & lostr their national ID. God said he had indignation against them for ever because of their treatment of Israel & Judah. Nowhere did God say He will bring them back as He said of Israel.

While there are SOME Christian Pals & Jews, most of of Islam or Judaism, & are enemies. That's not gonna go away. While certain of the Pals have been honored and will be honored by the Jews, it'll be a small minority. One who is so honored today is the man who gqave a bomb-loaded cell phone to Pal bombmaker Yahya Ayyash, leading to his assassination by the Jews in 1996. This man was given a new ID & lives in luxury somewhere in Israel for his cooperation with the Jews.

God blessed Esau himself for a while, as he was Isaac's older child, but his own sins, as well as his descendants' later ill treatment of Israel brought God's wrath upon the Edomites.

And again, "Palestine" is Latin for "Philistia". Hadrian gave that name to that land after he'd expelled the Jews from it for continued revolts. Today's Pals insist the land is theirs, as Hadrian had given it to their ancestors & the Jews had forfeited their rights to it. But the Jews have GOD'S PROMISE, which carries infinitely more weight & authority than any decree of Hadrian's. And before long, Judah & the rest of Israel will possess ALL the "Promised land", something they've never done before.

 

[Covenanter]

No, but they are RACIAL Jews, physical descendants of Abe, Jake, & Jude by birth.

Who knows? Their records were destroyed in the temple fires around AD 70.

The European Ashkenazi Jews are partly descended from conversion during the Khazar empire. Ashkenaz was descended from Japheth, not Shem. Gen. 10:1-3. The Bible records that the Exodus included a mixed multitude. Exodus 12:38.

Also after the great deliverance at the time of Esther,

Est 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.​

In any case, the LORD knows those who are his. Racial identity is of no significance as John makes clear -

John 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.​

And, of course, to be saved, a Jew must do the same as anyone else.

There we are in complete agreement.

And thru Paul, God also said in Romans 11 that He will readily graft the jews back onto their own "olive tree" if they cease their unbelief.

Paul preached on that principle - always beginning his preaching in the local synagogue & many welcomed the message. Whether Paul in Rom. 11 teaches that there will be a national repentance is unclear. There is no sign of it at present, rather a continuing hardening.

And let us remember God also said He's gonna make Israel & Judah one nation again, & make them great.

And he has! Peter quotes Moses -

Exo. 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
​

We, the redeemed children of God, Jews & Gentiles together, are members of that holy nation.

 

[Alofa Atu]

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 (KJV)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

I have come across various attempts at identifying who this Restrainer is. The most current one seems to be Holy Spirit,and the taking out of the way is rapture.

My question is, will there be any conversion after this taking away?
Is it possible for anyone to come to Christ and remain there without Holy Spirit?

The 'restrainer' was not the Holy Ghost. Context doesn't allow it.

The 'restrainer' was the Pagan Roman Empire ruled by Caesars.

Most misunderstand the 'until he be taken out of the way', which refers contextually to another and miss the parenthetical in its context.

Details upon request. If you don't request, you don't get the details.

Also, if one answers before hearing those details, well, Proverbs 18:13 for you.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

I spoke like Jonah when I said I would not reveal what the prophecies are saying. But God said not so and put it upon my heart to reveal.


Obadiah
The Lord Will Punish the Edomites
1 This is the vision of Obadiah.

This is what the Lord God says about Edom:

We have heard a message from the Lord.
A messenger has been sent among the nations, saying,
“Attack! Let’s go attack Edom!”

Who are the Edomites today? They are those who have the greatest wealth of the World. They are who own the nations including the nation of Israel (for now anyway). They also funded the making of the flag of today's Israel, which has upon it the star of its god. This is no new star but the star that has been a symbol of the pagan worship of their past. I and many Christian Jews are in agreement that the symbol of Israel should be the Menorah. Now I did not say all but many. And NO God has not as of yet rid Jacob of his plotting kin. There are two houses brought forth with Esau and Jacobs birth. And as Jacob story is a precursor and type of what would happen to those whom God would bless (THROUGH CHRIST) it is Christ' story and all in Him . Hence, the Covenant Blessing that Jacob received over his brother. Since the begin of Christianity there are Jews who accept and those who reject. I mean that is obvious to anyone who studies the History of Christianity. But let's be real though, there are those who are hardened and will be grafted back in. This is not saying there are not those who will to this day still reject Christ of Jews. Obviously the first to believe are Jews and throughout history there are Jews ,( though smaller in number compared to gentiles) who have received their Messiah. For today many Jews , more than ever I might add have come to the realization that Yeshua ha Meshiach is their Lord. This is fulfilling what Paul said........ that the hardening for a time would be until the full number of gentile be brought in. We are at the point now . And the remaining house of Jacob is being grafted back into his original tree and it is easier today more so than in pass times.

And those in their self righteous conceit , will be cut off because they act as though they are the ORIGINAL tree. I experience this when I speak to many Catholics , Orthodox and even some sects of the Protestant movement who act like they are the begin and end all of the faith. But for sure the Catholics take the cake in that attitude

That attitude is they are the original church , THE first! They are not they are a gentile church. Paul is clear first to the Jew, then the Greek then the Roman.
Romans 1:15-17
Unashamed of the Gospel
15That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. 16I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”…

Paul in speaking to the Romans states he is eager to preach to them the Gospel but clearly he states he first brought it to the Jew, then the Greek and and now Rome. Greek and Roman two different peoples.
Now further concerning the Edom Jews
Amos 5:25-26 King James Version (KJV)
25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

The Lord Speaks to the Edomites
2 “Soon I will make you the smallest of nations. ( They are GREAT right now in power . The head of the (Edom) Jew is the Rothschild Family ( Rothschild means - RED SHIELD) how interesting. Is it a coincidence? I think not. The six pointed star is the stamp which shows who their allegiance is to .

Mayer Amschel Rothschild: The Founder
The Rothschilds’ empire had humble beginnings. Its founder, Mayer Amschel Rothschild, was born in 1744 and raised in Frankfurt’s Jewish ghetto. During that era (HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE), Jews were legally required to live in small communities that were separate from Christians. They were also not allowed to leave their villages at night, on Sundays, or on Christian holidays.

( That is a totally non Christian thing to do . We can thank the hateful Harlot for such restrictions. She should have loved her enemies and done good to those who rejected Christianity. )


As a child, Rothschild lived in a house with about 30 other family members and learned about the business world at an early age. His father, Amschel Moses Rothschild, traded coins, silk, and other commodities for a living. One of Amschel Rothschild’s clients was Crown Prince Wilhelm of Hesse.


Mayer Rothschild became an orphan at age 12 when his mother and father died in a smallpox epidemic. Before their passing, Rothschild’s parents wanted their son to become a rabbi. However, shortly after his 13th birthday, he decided to take an apprenticeship with a banking firm in Hanover, Germany. During his time there, Rothschild learned the ins and outs of banking and foreign trade from bankers who used their extensive connections and financial skills to advise and serve the reigning nobility; some of these bankers had risen to the status of what was known as "court Jews," or court factors.
They are the lineage of Esau (Edom) and that name (RED) was even been preserved in the fact that Rothschild means (RED) Shield. At the appointed time satan gave this family his own power, authority and throne, which grew in power over time. Don't worry they did not marry outside of their own house for many ,many years they are INTERNAL with their relationships . And only those who are Jews or at least in allegiance with them gets in.

Continued.......

 

[OfLivingWaters]

The Rothschild Family funded and instituted the flag which we see today flying over Israel. Also , they built
Israel's supreme court house. Before that, they funded the instituting of Israel becoming a nation again. They in
essence OWN Israel right now as they own most of the world. That is why all these wars are going on and why
many kings are being toppled and have been, who do not fall in line with their demands.

They will eventually become hated by everyone.

AMOS CONTINUED:

You will be greatly hated by everyone.

3 Your pride has fooled you,

you who live in the hollow places of the cliff. (Did you know the most highly prized Real Estate in Israel is in
the mountains around Jerusalem and the coast of Tel Aviv. There is actually a portion of the city of Tel Aviv
with the Rothschild name upon it with streets named after them. And there are nothing but High rise luxury
apartments and pent houses for the ultra wealthy. Look into it.



Amos cont.....

Your home is up high,

you who say to yourself,

‘No one can bring me down to the ground.’



4 Even if you fly high like the eagle ( Feb. 24th 2019 Israel joins the space race and launches its first space
craft called Beresheet which means ( In A Beginning and /or In The Beginning) the opening phrase concerning
Genesis.)

and make your nest among the stars,

I will bring you down from there,” says the Lord.

5 “You will really be ruined!

If thieves came to you,

if robbers came by night,

they would steal only enough for themselves.

If workers came and picked the grapes from your vines,

they would leave a few behind.

6 But you, Edom, will really lose everything!

People will find all your hidden treasures!

7 All the people who are your friends

will force you out of the land.

The people who are at peace with you

will trick you and defeat you.

Those who eat your bread with you now

are planning a trap for you,

and you will not notice it.”



8 The Lord says, “On that day

I will surely destroy the wise people from Edom,

and those with understanding from the mountains of Edom. (Also, Israel's United Nations building is upon
the Mount of Evil Counsel where Christ was taken before the Sanhedrin . It is where the house of Caiaphas was.
I suppose that is just a coincidence? No way ! It is where all nations convene in Israel and it over looks both the
Old and New cities of Jerusalem. You can even see the Dead sea from there on a clear day. I believe God is
showing a link between Caiaphas and the Rothschilds, (That is conjecture though.)

AMOS CONT.....

9 Then, city of Teman, your best warriors will be afraid, ( Teman:Means "right hand" or "south" in Hebrew. )

and everyone from the mountains of Edom will be killed. (This does not mean a name of a place but those at
the PINNACLE of Power with Edom...... that power/ pinnacle or mountain belongs to the Edom Jew.)


Cont.......

 

[OfLivingWaters]

10 You did violence to your relatives, the Israelites, ( Throughout history they have done this and continue to.
As more and more of Jacobs house comes to Christ they will plot against the TRUE HOUSE OF ISRAEL= Is-
raelites , those in whom God has prevailed. That is what the Word Israel means "May God Prevail!".

so you will be covered with shame

and destroyed forever.

11 You stood aside without helping

while strangers carried Israel’s treasures away.

When foreigners entered Israel’s city gate

and threw lots to decide what part of Jerusalem they would take, ( Israel will be invaded because the Edom
Jew wants those who serve Christ to be carried off the invasion is allowed and encouraged by them.)

Amos Continued:

you were like one of them.



Commands That Edom Broke

12 “Edom, do not laugh at your brother Israel in his time of trouble

or be happy about the people of Judah when they are destroyed.

Do not brag when cruel things are done to them.

13 Do not enter the city gate of my people ( the gate is their bodies . In this time of distress they will give the
Nephilim Mark to those of Judah).

in their time of trouble ( Jacob's Trouble)

or laugh at their problems

in their time of trouble.

Do not take their treasures (SOULS)

in their time of trouble.

14 Do not stand at the crossroads ( Crossroads that they will present Israel with a choice take the Mark or die.
Israel will be in famine.)

to destroy those who are trying to escape.

Do not capture those who escape alive and turn them over to their enemy

in their time of trouble. ( Many will be persecuted and handed over to Muslim nations as slaves.)


The Nations Will Be Judged

15 “The Lord’s day of judging is coming soon

to all the nations. ( Obviously I am right because this has not yet happened.)

The same evil things you did to other people

will happen to you;

they will come back upon your own head.

16 Because you drank in my Temple, ( This does not mean in a church this means to drink in something . They
will drink in the chosen who are God's temple . This is a terrible persecution where many out of distress will
take the mark of the beast. It those who are Temple of God. Those who do not take the mark will be killed.
They will also eat up God's people like bread.)



Amos cont.

all the nations will drink on and on.

They will drink and drink

until they disappear. ( Many of God's chosen will disappear , their lives will be removed from among us.)



17 But on Mount Zion some will escape the judgment,

and it will be a holy place. ( Small Elect number will survive.)

The people of Jacob will take back their land

from those who took it from them.

18 The people of Jacob will be like a fire

and the people of Joseph" like a flame.

But the people of Esau will be like dry stalks.

The people of Jacob will set them on fire and burn them up.

There will be no one left of the people of Esau.”

This will happen because the Lord has said it. ( This has to do with the Two Witness who will strike men with
all manner of plagues and from whom the Fire of the Holy Spirit Comes forth from their mouths).



19 Then God’s people will regain southern Judah from Edom; ( At the sixth seal which will happen after the
The Two Witnesses are resurrected and called up to God's throne before everyone's eyes. That is when the Land
of Canaan will become the land of Abraham's seed. )

they will take back the mountains of Edom.

They will take back the western hills

from the Philistines.

They will regain the lands of Ephraim and Samaria,

and Benjamin will take over Gilead.

20 People from Israel who once were forced to leave their homes ( People who see the abomination of desola-
tion standing were it ought not be let those in Judah/ Jerusalem flee to the mountains. They will return the Elect
will inhabit the desolate places. Isaiah 61 will be completely fulfilled at that point.)

will take the land of the Canaanites,

all the way to Zarephath.

People from Judah who once were forced to leave Jerusalem and live in Sepharad

will take back the cities of southern Judah.

21 Powerful warriors will go up on Mount Zion,

where they will rule the people living on Edom’s mountains.

And the kingdom will belong to the Lord.

There will be a a Pause in the Tribulation events according to what Christ said : "If the days were not shortened
no one would survive. They would all be killed by the Edom Jew.)



Those who will flee into the earth will be Nephilim because the Mark of the Beast is a DNA Marker not present
in man normally that will attach to the DNA of man. This is possible today because of technology. It attaches to
the Carbon of the DNA which is in essence the glue which binds. The Carbon number of man is: The number
666 relates to the carbon atom, and man. Carbon-12; one of 5 elements in the human DNA is composed of 6
protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, ...

NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN COMPLETELY FULFILLED BUT WILL BE IN THESE END OF DAYS.
Pray for one another!

 

[robycop3]

Who knows? Their records were destroyed in the temple fires around AD 70.

The European Ashkenazi Jews are partly descended from conversion during the Khazar empire. Ashkenaz was descended from Japheth, not Shem. Gen. 10:1-3. The Bible records that the Exodus included a mixed multitude. Exodus 12:38.

Also after the great deliverance at the time of Esther,

Est 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.​

In any case, the LORD knows those who are his. Racial identity is of no significance as John makes clear -

John 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.​

There we are in complete agreement.


Paul preached on that principle - always beginning his preaching in the local synagogue & many welcomed the message. Whether Paul in Rom. 11 teaches that there will be a national repentance is unclear. There is no sign of it at present, rather a continuing hardening.



And he has! Peter quotes Moses -

Exo. 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
​

We, the redeemed children of God, Jews & Gentiles together, are members of that holy nation.

The very history of the Jews shows they're "the" Jews of history. They were expelled from their land by the Romans, were hated & persecuted everywhere they went for over 1800 years, but remained a distinct people thruout all this. They not only survived, but regained their sovereign nation with Jerusalem as their capital, and are the "pound-for-pound" military champs of the world. No other people have such a history.

God said He will restore both Judah and Israel, and so far He has partially restored Judah. He didn't say it'd be overnight.

The 'restrainer' was not the Holy Ghost. Context doesn't allow it.

The 'restrainer' was the Pagan Roman Empire ruled by Caesars.

Most misunderstand the 'until he be taken out of the way', which refers contextually to another and miss the parenthetical in its context.

Details upon request. If you don't request, you don't get the details.

Also, if one answers before hearing those details, well, Proverbs 18:13 for you.

The restrainer is the Holy Spirit. (Not "Ghost") No mere man or group of men could keep a prophecy from being fulfilled until a certain time. When The father says it's time, His words to the Holy Spirit will take Him outta the way. (That man may already be born, for all we know.

When The Father says it's time, the "man of sin" will be born.

 

[robycop3]

10 You did violence to your relatives, the Israelites, ( Throughout history they have done this and continue to.
As more and more of Jacobs house comes to Christ they will plot against the TRUE HOUSE OF ISRAEL= Is-
raelites , those in whom God has prevailed. That is what the Word Israel means "May God Prevail!".

so you will be covered with shame

and destroyed forever.

11 You stood aside without helping

while strangers carried Israel’s treasures away.

When foreigners entered Israel’s city gate

and threw lots to decide what part of Jerusalem they would take, ( Israel will be invaded because the Edom
Jew wants those who serve Christ to be carried off the invasion is allowed and encouraged by them.)

Amos Continued:

you were like one of them.



Commands That Edom Broke

12 “Edom, do not laugh at your brother Israel in his time of trouble

or be happy about the people of Judah when they are destroyed.

Do not brag when cruel things are done to them.

13 Do not enter the city gate of my people ( the gate is their bodies . In this time of distress they will give the
Nephilim Mark to those of Judah).

in their time of trouble ( Jacob's Trouble)

or laugh at their problems

in their time of trouble.

Do not take their treasures (SOULS)

in their time of trouble.

14 Do not stand at the crossroads ( Crossroads that they will present Israel with a choice take the Mark or die.
Israel will be in famine.)

to destroy those who are trying to escape.

Do not capture those who escape alive and turn them over to their enemy

in their time of trouble. ( Many will be persecuted and handed over to Muslim nations as slaves.)


The Nations Will Be Judged

15 “The Lord’s day of judging is coming soon

to all the nations. ( Obviously I am right because this has not yet happened.)

The same evil things you did to other people

will happen to you;

they will come back upon your own head.

16 Because you drank in my Temple, ( This does not mean in a church this means to drink in something . They
will drink in the chosen who are God's temple . This is a terrible persecution where many out of distress will
take the mark of the beast. It those who are Temple of God. Those who do not take the mark will be killed.
They will also eat up God's people like bread.)



Amos cont.

all the nations will drink on and on.

They will drink and drink

until they disappear. ( Many of God's chosen will disappear , their lives will be removed from among us.)



17 But on Mount Zion some will escape the judgment,

and it will be a holy place. ( Small Elect number will survive.)

The people of Jacob will take back their land

from those who took it from them.

18 The people of Jacob will be like a fire

and the people of Joseph" like a flame.

But the people of Esau will be like dry stalks.

The people of Jacob will set them on fire and burn them up.

There will be no one left of the people of Esau.”

This will happen because the Lord has said it. ( This has to do with the Two Witness who will strike men with
all manner of plagues and from whom the Fire of the Holy Spirit Comes forth from their mouths).



19 Then God’s people will regain southern Judah from Edom; ( At the sixth seal which will happen after the
The Two Witnesses are resurrected and called up to God's throne before everyone's eyes. That is when the Land
of Canaan will become the land of Abraham's seed. )

they will take back the mountains of Edom.

They will take back the western hills

from the Philistines.

They will regain the lands of Ephraim and Samaria,

and Benjamin will take over Gilead.

20 People from Israel who once were forced to leave their homes ( People who see the abomination of desola-
tion standing were it ought not be let those in Judah/ Jerusalem flee to the mountains. They will return the Elect
will inhabit the desolate places. Isaiah 61 will be completely fulfilled at that point.)

will take the land of the Canaanites,

all the way to Zarephath.

People from Judah who once were forced to leave Jerusalem and live in Sepharad

will take back the cities of southern Judah.

21 Powerful warriors will go up on Mount Zion,

where they will rule the people living on Edom’s mountains.

And the kingdom will belong to the Lord.

There will be a a Pause in the Tribulation events according to what Christ said : "If the days were not shortened
no one would survive. They would all be killed by the Edom Jew.)



Those who will flee into the earth will be Nephilim because the Mark of the Beast is a DNA Marker not present
in man normally that will attach to the DNA of man. This is possible today because of technology. It attaches to
the Carbon of the DNA which is in essence the glue which binds. The Carbon number of man is: The number
666 relates to the carbon atom, and man. Carbon-12; one of 5 elements in the human DNA is composed of 6
protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, ...

NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN COMPLETELY FULFILLED BUT WILL BE IN THESE END OF DAYS.
Pray for one another!

More goofiness !

There's no such thing as an "Edom Jew". The people of Esau are all gone, as God said they'd be.The Rothschilds are Jews, same as are the Cohens, Liebermans, or any other Jews you mighta heard of. They were persecuted by Hitler same as the others.

The nephilim are all gone, too.

The marka the beast will be a computer chip of some sort that can be implanted under the skin. Such tech already exists.

The trib won't "pause". it'll be ended by Jesus' return before its full 3.5 years have run.

I don't know what cult or sect you belong to, but they've filled your head with goofy stuff from their own private interp of Scripture.

 

[kyredneck]

YEESSSS, the original Pals included Philistines. Your history is 'WAY off.

NOT! You're history is "way off":

What Do You Feel About John Hagees' Teaching on the Jews...

 

[Alofa Atu]

... When The Father says it's time, the "man of sin" will be born.

Jesuit doctrine. Remember what I said about Proverbs 18:13.

 

[Alofa Atu]

... Holy Spirit. (Not "Ghost") ...

You have double standards.

Just a single verse, and many more could be cited from as many other translations, both New and Old.

Geneva:

Mat 1:18 Nowe the birth of Iesvs Christ was thus, When as his mother Mary was betrothed to Ioseph, before they came together, shee was found with childe of the holy Ghost.

Bishops:

Mat 1:18 The birth of Iesus Christe was on this wise. When as his mother Marie was betrouthed to Ioseph (before they came together) she was founde with chylde of the holy ghost.

Douay Rheims:

Mat 1:18 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost.

German Luther:

Mat 1:18 Die Geburt Christi war aber also getan. Als Maria, seine Mutter, dem Joseph vertraut war, fand sich's ehe er sie heimholte, daß sie schwanger war von dem heiligen Geist.

Wycliffe:

But the generation of Christ was thus. When Mary, the mother of Jesus, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found having of the Holy Ghost in the womb. [Forsooth the generation of Christ was this. When Mary, his mother, was spoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found having in the womb of the Holy Ghost.]

BRG:

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Show me the Bible you "translated". I'll wait.

 

[Alofa Atu]

... The restrainer is the Holy Spirit. (Not "Ghost") No mere man or group of men could keep a prophecy from being fulfilled until a certain time. When The father says it's time, His words to the Holy Spirit will take Him outta the way. (That man may already be born, for all we know.

When The Father says it's time, the "man of sin" will be born.

At the risk of repeating myself:

The 'restrainer' was not the Holy Ghost. Context doesn't allow it.

The 'restrainer' was the Pagan Roman Empire ruled by Caesars.

Most misunderstand the 'until he be taken out of the way', which refers contextually to another and miss the parenthetical in its context.

Details upon request. If you don't request, you don't get the details.

Also, if one answers before hearing those details, well, Proverbs 18:13 for you.

 

[Covenanter]

The very history of the Jews shows they're "the" Jews of history. They were expelled from their land by the Romans, were hated & persecuted everywhere they went for over 1800 years, but remained a distinct people thruout all this. They not only survived, but regained their sovereign nation with Jerusalem as their capital, and are the "pound-for-pound" military champs of the world. No other people have such a history.

That implies that the Jews, God's special people, were to be rejected by their God for more than 50 generations, NOT the 3 or 4 generations of the Covenant. Deut. 5:9. You are cancelling the prophetic assurance of Ezekiel -

18:1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:

“ ‘The parents eat sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?​

3 “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. 4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.
Read on ...​

The AD 70 judgment was as Jesus himself warned those who rejected him, & their children who scoffed that their fathers had died without suffering the destruction at Jesus "coming." That judgment was complete & unrepeatable. Jerusalem & the temple were destroyed, & the Old Covenant religion brought to an absolute end.

What happened after was that the Jews rebelled against the Romans, and suffered under the Romans. War, not divine judgment.

The New Covenant stands unrivalled, & the OC ended - see Hebrews 8. Jews who repent are welcomed into the glorious New Covenant relationship with God, but not as a continuing Jewish entity, but one people of God with all the redeemed.

Sadly a corrupt church continued to reject continuing Jews rather than simply allowing them to live as Gentiles going about the daily business of living, while preaching the Gospel of salvation through Jesus to them. That has continued down through 2,000 years.

God said He will restore both Judah and Israel, and so far He has partially restored Judah. He didn't say it'd be overnight.

What does Scripture say? There are, of course, many wonderful promises given to Israel, aka the Jews, in the OC Scriptures. Most of the prophets witnessed before & about the Assyrian & Babylonian invasions, or during the Babylonian captivity.

These prophecies were partially fulfilled by the return & rebuilding Jerusalem & the temple, so Messiah could come in fulfilment of the wonderful prophecies & promises given to the Patriarchs. And when Jesus had come & completed his saving work he declared -

Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”​

Israel, the Jews, together with all nations are welcomed by the Gospel according to the promise to Abraham - Gen. 22 -

15 The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

Gal. 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

Recognising the modern state of Israel as the fulfilment of prophecy is a denial of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. I've previously quoted Micah 2 & 6 to show that the behaviour of the Jews against the Palestinians is utterly abhorent to a holy God.

 

[robycop3]

NOT! You're history is "way off":

What Do You Feel About John Hagees' Teaching on the Jews...

No, it's NOT. I said "original".

While there are no "visible" Philistines now, there are no "visible" Danites, Gadites, Reubenites, or other members of Israeli tribes known by their ancestral names now. But GOD knows "who's who".

And some of Zechariah's prophecy has come to pass about the Jews' honoring some of those people. For example, the Pal who delivered the "loaded" cell phone to bombmaker Yahya Ayyash in 1996 is today living in luxury somewhere in Israel under strict Jewish protection.

 

[robycop3]

That implies that the Jews, God's special people, were to be rejected by their God for more than 50 generations, NOT the 3 or 4 generations of the Covenant. Deut. 5:9. You are cancelling the prophetic assurance of Ezekiel -

18:1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:

“ ‘The parents eat sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?​

3 “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. 4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.
Read on ...​

The AD 70 judgment was as Jesus himself warned those who rejected him, & their children who scoffed that their fathers had died without suffering the destruction at Jesus "coming." That judgment was complete & unrepeatable. Jerusalem & the temple were destroyed, & the Old Covenant religion brought to an absolute end.

What happened after was that the Jews rebelled against the Romans, and suffered under the Romans. War, not divine judgment.

The New Covenant stands unrivalled, & the OC ended - see Hebrews 8. Jews who repent are welcomed into the glorious New Covenant relationship with God, but not as a continuing Jewish entity, but one people of God with all the redeemed.

Sadly a corrupt church continued to reject continuing Jews rather than simply allowing them to live as Gentiles going about the daily business of living, while preaching the Gospel of salvation through Jesus to them. That has continued down through 2,000 years.


What does Scripture say? There are, of course, many wonderful promises given to Israel, aka the Jews, in the OC Scriptures. Most of the prophets witnessed before & about the Assyrian & Babylonian invasions, or during the Babylonian captivity.

These prophecies were partially fulfilled by the return & rebuilding Jerusalem & the temple, so Messiah could come in fulfilment of the wonderful prophecies & promises given to the Patriarchs. And when Jesus had come & completed his saving work he declared -

Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”​

Israel, the Jews, together with all nations are welcomed by the Gospel according to the promise to Abraham - Gen. 22 -

15 The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

Gal. 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

Recognising the modern state of Israel as the fulfilment of prophecy is a denial of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. I've previously quoted Micah 2 & 6 to show that the behaviour of the Jews against the Palestinians is utterly abhorent to a holy God.

I don't believe there are any REASONABLE doubts about the identity of the Jews of today as the descendants of Judah, Benjamin, or Levi, descendants of those who were driven out of their land by the Romans under Hadrian in 135-136 AD, who were descended from those who experienced the destruction of Jerusalem & the temple. 'Tis no coincidence they survived over 1800 years of persecution & hatred wherever they went, culmination in the nazi holocaust. (And even today, some anti-Semitism is still occurring, even in this very website where a professing Christian says there are "Edomite Jews" controlled by the Rothschild family, out to wreck the world.)

But very-evidently, GOD is restoring the Jews to greatness. Already, Israel is the "pound-for-pound" military champ of all time, and will only grow richer. And the rest of Israel will be added before too long. And God Himself will remove unbelief from among them, as He said.

Yes, modern Israel is certainly a miracle & the fulfillment of prophecy. And no, they're not acting very "saintly" right now, but GOD will take care of that when the time comes. And no matter what else he does right or wrong, Pres. Trump is very wise to support Israel, as God says whoever messes with those people is touching the apple of His eye.

 

[robycop3]

At the risk of repeating myself:

As succintly as I can say it...
NO !

 

[robycop3]

You have double standards.

Just a single verse, and many more could be cited from as many other translations, both New and Old.

Geneva:

Mat 1:18 Nowe the birth of Iesvs Christ was thus, When as his mother Mary was betrothed to Ioseph, before they came together, shee was found with childe of the holy Ghost.

Bishops:

Mat 1:18 The birth of Iesus Christe was on this wise. When as his mother Marie was betrouthed to Ioseph (before they came together) she was founde with chylde of the holy ghost.

Douay Rheims:

Mat 1:18 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost.

German Luther:

Mat 1:18 Die Geburt Christi war aber also getan. Als Maria, seine Mutter, dem Joseph vertraut war, fand sich's ehe er sie heimholte, daß sie schwanger war von dem heiligen Geist.

Wycliffe:

But the generation of Christ was thus. When Mary, the mother of Jesus, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found having of the Holy Ghost in the womb. [Forsooth the generation of Christ was this. When Mary, his mother, was spoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found having in the womb of the Holy Ghost.]

BRG:

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Show me the Bible you "translated". I'll wait.

NKJV -NASV - ESV - NIV

 

[robycop3]

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 (KJV)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

I have come across various attempts at identifying who this Restrainer is. The most current one seems to be Holy Spirit,and the taking out of the way is rapture.

My question is, will there be any conversion after this taking away?
Is it possible for anyone to come to Christ and remain there without Holy Spirit?

MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE RANCH...

Scripture plainly sez there'll be trib saints, & the trib won't occur til the "beast" is in power. So, the answer to your question is "Yes", except for those who will take the marka the beast. They will have sealed their doom. The Holy Spirit will still be here; He will simply have ceased preventing the "beast" from being born.

And I believe it's quite-evident from the overall context of NT Scripture that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.