The Restrainer

[Revmitchell]

So which is correct:

NIV John 7:8-10

8 You go to the festival. I am notb]">[b] going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee. 10 However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.

NKJV John 7:8-10

8 You go up to this feast. I am not b]">[b]yet going up to this feast, for My time has not yet fully come.” 9 When He had said these things to them, He remained in Galilee.

The Heavenly Scholar

10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

Which is correct, which one is the Bible? for the Two are not saying the same thing.

NIV - "I am not going ..."
NKJV - "I am not yet going ..."

Another example:

NIV Matthew 18:11

VOID

NKJV Matthew 18:11

For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.

Which is correct, which one is the Bible? for the Two are not saying the same thing.

Yes they are

 

[robycop3]

I keep telling you I do not believe in your straw man phrase or definition of said phrase, but as you will.

In other words, you CANNOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

 

[robycop3]

Rev 7:4 KJV - And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

The 144.000 are composed of 12.000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel (Jews).

They're not ALL Jews. The Jews are only of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi.

 

[robycop3]

Let me know when you are actually going to answer my questions on the translations cited in the versions you gave, for some are in contradiction to the other in not merely one place, but in many, and all four are not in harmony as the 4 actual Gospels of the KJB are. There is not a single Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) that is in contradiction to any of the other 3 Gospels, as your 4 versions (and 5th the one you really use, the "Your Version" which has to contradict all the previous 4 you use as cover)

I more-than-adequately answered earlier. And the 4 'Gospels' in the KJV (NOT "KJB") are all different from each other. "Things that are different are not the same".

You're unable to provide any SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for your KJVO myth, so I consider it & any pro-KJVO junk you may post as chaff.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

They're not ALL Jews. The Jews are only of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi.

Which of the following named tribes are not Jews?
Rev 7:4 KJV - And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 KJV - Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 KJV - Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 KJV - Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 KJV - Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.

Who are the 144,000?
So the answer to the question “who are the 144,000?” will depend on which interpretive approach you take to the book of Revelation. With the exception of the futurist approach, all of the other approaches interpret the 144,000 symbolically, as representative of the church and the number 144,000 being symbolic of the totality—i.e., the complete number—of the church. Yet when taken at face value: “Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel” (Revelation 7:4), nothing in the passage leads to interpreting the 144,000 as anything but a literal number of Jews—12,000 taken from every tribe of the “sons of Israel.” The New Testament offers no clear cut text replacing Israel with the church.

I find no support for your position, biblical or extra-biblical. Please provide supportive resources, biblical or otherwise, to validate your stated belief.