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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Dec 3, 2020.

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  1. Tsalagi

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    This argument assumes that the crown of life is a synonym for salvation rather than a reward for faithfulness and obedience under extreme duress. Revelation 2:10 renders the former understanding impossible.

    Further, being "approved" is a product of diligence after salvation, not saving faith. See 2 Tim 2:15.
     
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    Sir, we are saved when and if God credits our faith, thus having been "approved" as righteousness and He alone places us into Christ spiritually.

    Does turning to God mean we will not sin? Nope. Faith Sir is not works, and thus our full commitment to God and Christ is not works. I am so sick and tired of your unbiblical argument, I could vomit.
     
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    With respect, it isn't the same. Persevering under trial is not involved at the point of salvation and sealing.
     
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    Now you are revealing your bias, Sir. 2 Timothy 2:15 refers to our action to show God, as a qualified workman, not God's action to approve a person, such as Hebrews 11.

    Revelation 2:10 indicates those who endure to the end will receive the crown of life. Born anew believers do endure to the end. Those that go out from us were not of us.
     
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    Well, we certainly don't want that. Blessings in Christ.
     
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    The crown of life is salvation. Not any different
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    Psalms 38:18
    But I confess my sins; I am deeply sorry for what I have done.
     
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    What are you on about?
     
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    I think the "crown of life" is "eternal life."
     
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    I do not see that as repenting over individual suns, but changing our minds in regards to not being able to save ourselves by our good works, and that is a work of the Holy Spirit!
     
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    In the parable of the soils though, only the last soil was good!
     
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    Which all have once born from above and justified!
     
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    Its proving that our election and calling is sure!
     
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    If we are born anew, we have eternal life. If we have been justified, we have eternal life. If God puts us into Christ, we are made (eternally) alive together with Christ. If we have the crown of life, we have eternal life.
     
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    God is the one who justifies us, not ourselves!
     
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    The lost obtain the righteousness of God when God puts them "in Him" where they are made perfect, holy and blameless, i.e. made righteous.
     
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    You are the one claiming people justify themselves, you and you alone. On and on, folks, false charge after false charge.
     
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    then you are as blind on this as Chrales and Van are on other issues! Luke 24:47 is very clear, "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem". As is Peters first sermon, "Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:37-38). Again, "Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19). Are you saying that you cannot see in such passages, that repentance for sins is a requirement for salvation? If so, then as Charles cannot "see" that the Holy Spirit is God from places like Acts 5:3-4, you cannot also "see" that repentance for sins is a requirement for salvation!
     
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    Peter was addressing a specific group there, the very Jews that saw and heard Jesus teach and do miracles!
     
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    Come on, give me a break. You sound like the JWs on John 1.1! :rolleyes:
     
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    How did Paul answer the Jailor about what to do to get saved? or Philip and the Eunuch?
     
    #60 Yeshua1, Dec 4, 2020
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