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The righteousness of God

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Tsalagi

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Van said:
James 1:12 (NASB)
Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

Clearly, some in James audience may not have been "approved." For they have not received the "crown of life."
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This argument assumes that the crown of life is a synonym for salvation rather than a reward for faithfulness and obedience under extreme duress. Revelation 2:10 renders the former understanding impossible.

Further, being "approved" is a product of diligence after salvation, not saving faith. See 2 Tim 2:15.
 
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Tsalagi said:
If, as you believe, receiving the word is a synonym for salvation, and receiving first requires "putting aside all filthiness" etc. (you recall that the action of the aorist participle precedes the action of the main verb) then works are made part of salvation in this verse. I see no way around that conclusion.
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Sir, we are saved when and if God credits our faith, thus having been "approved" as righteousness and He alone places us into Christ spiritually.

Does turning to God mean we will not sin? Nope. Faith Sir is not works, and thus our full commitment to God and Christ is not works. I am so sick and tired of your unbiblical argument, I could vomit.
 
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Tsalagi said:
This argument assumes that the crown of life is a synonym for salvation rather than a reward for faithfulness and obedience under extreme duress. Revelation 2:10 renders the former understanding impossible.

Further, being "approved" is a product of diligence after salvation, not saving faith. See 2 Tim 2:15.
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Now you are revealing your bias, Sir. 2 Timothy 2:15 refers to our action to show God, as a qualified workman, not God's action to approve a person, such as Hebrews 11.

Revelation 2:10 indicates those who endure to the end will receive the crown of life. Born anew believers do endure to the end. Those that go out from us were not of us.
 
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Tsalagi

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Van said:
Sir, we are saved when and if God credits our faith, thus having been "approved" as righteousness and He alone places us into Christ spiritually.

Does turning to God mean we will not sin? Nope. Faith Sir is not works, and thus our full commitment to God and Christ is not works. I am so sick and tired of your unbiblical argument, I could vomit.
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Well, we certainly don't want that. Blessings in Christ.
 
SavedByGrace

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Tsalagi said:
This argument assumes that the crown of life is a synonym for salvation rather than a reward for faithfulness and obedience under extreme duress. Revelation 2:10 renders the former understanding impossible.
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The crown of life is salvation. Not any different
Yeshua1 said:
Do not see Paul stating that, as his message was turn to and believe in Lord Jesus and get saved!
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And

Psalms 38:18
But I confess my sins; I am deeply sorry for what I have done.
 
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Tsalagi said:
If, as you believe, receiving the word is a synonym for salvation, and receiving first requires "putting aside all filthiness" etc. (you recall that the action of the aorist participle precedes the action of the main verb) then works are made part of salvation in this verse. I see no way around that conclusion.
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In the parable of the soils though, only the last soil was good!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Which all have once born from above and justified!
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If we are born anew, we have eternal life. If we have been justified, we have eternal life. If God puts us into Christ, we are made (eternally) alive together with Christ. If we have the crown of life, we have eternal life.
 
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Van said:
If we are born anew, we have eternal life. If we have been justified, we have eternal life. If God puts us into Christ, we are made (eternally) alive together with Christ. If we have the crown of life, we have eternal life.
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God is the one who justifies us, not ourselves!
 
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The lost obtain the righteousness of God when God puts them "in Him" where they are made perfect, holy and blameless, i.e. made righteous.
 
SavedByGrace

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Yeshua1 said:
I do not see that as repenting over individual suns, but changing our minds in regards to not being able to save ourselves by our good works, and that is a work of the Holy Spirit!
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then you are as blind on this as Chrales and Van are on other issues! Luke 24:47 is very clear, "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem". As is Peters first sermon, "Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:37-38). Again, "Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19). Are you saying that you cannot see in such passages, that repentance for sins is a requirement for salvation? If so, then as Charles cannot "see" that the Holy Spirit is God from places like Acts 5:3-4, you cannot also "see" that repentance for sins is a requirement for salvation!
 
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SavedByGrace said:
then you are as blind on this as Chrales and Van are on other issues! Luke 24:47 is very clear, "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem". As is Peters first sermon, "Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:37-38). Again, "Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19). Are you saying that you cannot see in such passages, that repentance for sins is a requirement for salvation? If so, then as Charles cannot "see" that the Holy Spirit is God from places like Acts 5:3-4, you cannot also "see" that repentance for sins is a requirement for salvation!
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Peter was addressing a specific group there, the very Jews that saw and heard Jesus teach and do miracles!
 
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