The rod

[Allan]

The 'rod' is literal and is known to be so exegetically, historically, contextually, and given the whole counsil of God.

It is not however only singular in it's intent or meaning.

It encompasses the whole system of disciple leading up to that point.

Yes, corporal punishment is biblically correct.
But there is FAR more to discipline than spanking.

Children have to understand why, and not just 'because I (daddy or mommy) said so'.

I will use God to illistrate this point since we are to be imitators of Him.
Why does scripture state that we as Believers are to "fear the Lord"?

Is it because He is a tyrant and will deal out lashings at His whim when the mood takes Him?

No, we are to fear the Lord because He alone has the authority over us to judge us. We are to 'fear the Lord' not out of terror and common fear but respect or reverence. He has given to us to know what He desires (good) and that which He will not stand for (bad). And when we choose to go against His rules we are going against God Himself. The Lord will not just let is slide. He WILL chasten and even 'scourage' His children:

Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Scouraging is used to chasten and or train by affliction, and is why is was a judicial punishment for those who broke the law.
Afflction is –noun 1. a state of pain, distress, or grief; misery: They sympathized with us in our affliction.
2. a cause of mental or bodily pain

I use this scripture above because it specifically states that it is God who scrouges. God is the one who did it. Now since we know God doesn't come down and literally physically discipline we know this is a metaphorical usage implying however the same intent and extent for our understanding. Look at the rest of the passage :

Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Hbr 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hbr 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Hbr 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened [us] after their own pleasure; but he for [our] profit, that [we] might be partakers of his holiness.

We are to train up our children in the same manner that God does with us. He does not start with scrouging but with chastisment. Yet, both of these are necessary to things to convey the in temporal form the pain these acts of rebellion will cause them later but THAT pain will be more than can be imagined.

Prov 13:24 He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.

As I stated earlier, I'm not saying to smack a child every chance a person gets. It should be either 1) the last step of discipline, or 2) done promptly to convey the seriousness of the matter in question. But at ALL times it should mirror LOVE and the God we serve, and how He disciplines Lovingly - Us. One should never discipline in anger and most definately discipline in a corporal manner while angry.

Anyway - that is my 2 cents. I had like a whole page but I lost it. Oh well.

BTW - I like this from 'somewhere' (can't remember) but the we are to use an impliment for disciple (ie, rod/small stick, belt, et) and not our hand. Why? Children should see the hand as their security, but the implement of discipline as that which should be avioded at all cost. I thought it was rather good.

 

[webdog]

Yes -- but are you to be congatulated on a new blessing??? He/she is precious!!

BTW, my dad had a paddle. I didn't turn out too bad. My brother, on the other hand, once hid it! He didn't turn out so good -- "black sheep" of 6 kids and yet today, same thing!

skypair

Thank you SP, my daughter was born on Jan. 18. She is my little princess...I'm in love all over again:love2:

 

[annsni]

Thank you SP, my daughter was born on Jan. 18. She is my little princess...I'm in love all over again:love2:

How is she doing? She is so cute - makes me want another!! Think my hubby would go for #5 if he saw her cute little face? Seriously, I really want another. I'm not too old at almost 43, am I??

I just remember those early days of no sleep, the constant nursing, the snuggles and snorts that I'd get from those little ones and just looking at them and marvelling that they were just 2 little cells 10 months before. SIGH

 

[webdog]

She's doing great, thanks for asking. My wife is having a harder time recovering this time around, so I took 4 weeks of vacation to take care of my girls and my little man. I let my wife sleep through the night and I get up instead...she needs her sleep.

43 is not too old for another (but don't tell your husband I said that )

 

[Allan]

She's doing great, thanks for asking. My wife is having a harder time recovering this time around, so I took 4 weeks of vacation to take care of my girls and my little man. I let my wife sleep through the night and I get up instead...she needs her sleep.

43 is not too old for another (but don't tell your husband I said that )

CONGRATULATIONS!!! :godisgood:

That is great Web!

Good for you, helping out your wife and giving her some much needed rest.

 

[annsni]

She's doing great, thanks for asking. My wife is having a harder time recovering this time around, so I took 4 weeks of vacation to take care of my girls and my little man. I let my wife sleep through the night and I get up instead...she needs her sleep.

43 is not too old for another (but don't tell your husband I said that )

What a great guy! I slept with my little ones because I nursed and hubby couldn't help much with that. Without them in my bed, I think I would have gone crazy! Although always my first night home I'd leave a bottle for the baby so I could get a stretch of 4 hours alone to sleep. LOL I had c-sections and I found while it was easier to recover from the birth with each one, *I* could not deal with the sleeplessness as well. Also, having other children definitely make it much tougher.

Again, congratulations on your little princess.

 

[Isaiah40:28]

Thank you SP, my daughter was born on Jan. 18. She is my little princess...I'm in love all over again:love2:

Congratulations, webdog!
Love your pic.
How many of each do you now have?

 

[Isaiah40:28]

Our small group is currently studying Dr. Tedd Tripp's Shepherding a Child's Heart. As a corporal punishment advocate, Dr. Tripp defines the "rod" as...
"a parent, in faith toward God and faithfulness toward his of her children, undertaking the responsibility of careful, timely, measured, and controlled use of physical punishment to underscore the importance of obeying God, thus rescuing the child from continuing in his foolishness until death."

Would you agree or disagree that this is an accurate portrayal of what Scripture is alluding to when the rod is mentioned, and why or why not.

I have read and reread Tripp's book and believe his writing to be biblically correct.
I do not believe that the rod is merely a symbolic instrument of authority. I believe the rod is as literal as the whip and harness mentioned in Proverbs 26:3.

3 A whip for the horse, a halter for the donkey,
and a rod for the backs of fools!

 

[webdog]

Congratulations, webdog!
Love your pic.
How many of each do you now have?

We have one son and one daughter. My son is a little over 2.

How about your pregnancy? How have you been feeling?

 

[webdog]

I have read and reread Tripp's book and believe his writing to be biblically correct.
I do not believe that the rod is merely a symbolic instrument of authority. I believe the rod is as literal as the whip and harness mentioned in Proverbs 26:3.

Since I"m still straddling the fence on this one...if the rod is literal, how can spankings occur with anything but a rod?

 

[Sopranette]

Personally, I've never read the verse as, "To make sure your child is properly disciplined, beat your child with a rod". I think the message contained in the verse is lost on that. To me, the message reads, "Discipline your child, and do not let him become spoiled."

love,

Sopranette

 

[Isaiah40:28]

How about your pregnancy? How have you been feeling?

My daughter was born 3 weeks early and is currently 6 weeks old. It's been difficult and wonderful all at the same time. Thanks for asking. We also have a 4.5 year old son as well.

Since I"m still straddling the fence on this one...if the rod is literal, how can spankings occur with anything but a rod?

Simple. It is the author's intent that is to be followed not the exact implementation.
Several examples come to mind:
1) Motzah cracker and Kosher wine instead of white loaf of bread and Welch's grape juice for the Lord's Supper.
2) a woman covering her head during service with a summer straw hat instead of a silk veil.
3) baptism conducted in a swimming pool instead of local river or lake

Do we seek to follow the exact method employed in biblical times or do we accept adequate and reasonable adaptations?

 

[annsni]

In my personal experience, I much prefer to use my hand on little ones because the "rod" needs to be as close to the "offense" as possible in order for them to really understand why they're being punished and it takes time to go, get the rod, come back to them, THEN deal with it. Also, for me, I KNOW I will not hit them too hard because of my carpal tunnel but it will be enough to sting but not enough to hurt them. As they get older, the sting needs to be a bit more so I've gone to use a wooden spoon - mostly because they're soft and will break before you could possibly do any kind of injury (mine are washed in the dishwasher - a big "no-no" but very handy.

I have not found with my 4 children that they are afraid of my hand OR the wooden spoon. They know when they're going to get spanked because my mood and my response to their disobedience or defiance is predictable. I think it would only be if I went off hitting them on a whim that they would be more afraid. But they're more than happy to go get the wooden spoon to make biscuits or cookies and they're way more than happy to hold my hand.

 

[Isaiah40:28]

I have not found with my 4 children that they are afraid of my hand OR the wooden spoon.

I consider much of the opposition to spanking to be nothing more than old-fashioned fear-mongering designed to scare parents into a desired action.

 

[webdog]

My daughter was born 3 weeks early and is currently 6 weeks old. It's been difficult and wonderful all at the same time. Thanks for asking. We also have a 4.5 year old son as well.

Simple. It is the author's intent that is to be followed not the exact implementation.
Several examples come to mind:
1) Motzah cracker and Kosher wine instead of white loaf of bread and Welch's grape juice for the Lord's Supper.
2) a woman covering her head during service with a summer straw hat instead of a silk veil.
3) baptism conducted in a swimming pool instead of local river or lake

Do we seek to follow the exact method employed in biblical times or do we accept adequate and reasonable adaptations?

I'm glad both you and your daughter are doing well, congrats! My wife is having a harder time recovering this time around with a bruised tailbone.

I'll have to take issue with the fact the author's intent that it not be followed exactly. We see in the OT just the opposite, particularly pertaining to communion (I've never seen a church use a leavened bread for communion, and the church is safe with Welch's, as it does not contain yeast)...baptism is not commanded in a particular location...and women wearing hats was NT, and cultural.

The other problem I have is taking wisdom literature, poetic at that, and classifying it in the same way we do with commands in Scripture.

 

[youngmom4]

Thank you SP, my daughter was born on Jan. 18. She is my little princess...I'm in love all over again:love2:

I saw your new pic and had been wondering if you had a new addition! Congratulations, she is beautiful! :thumbs: Ah, if only mine could be that little again; she turned two on Jan. 3rd, and she is such a handful now. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Allan]

My daughter was born 3 weeks early and is currently 6 weeks old. It's been difficult and wonderful all at the same time. Thanks for asking. We also have a 4.5 year old son as well.

Hello Isaiah.

Glad to hear things are progressing to the glory of the Lord and happiness of your family.

Since this has turned into a maternity thread :laugh: We just found out we are expecting another child in 9 or so months. This will make our 5th child :godisgood:

I am pretty sure it will be our last unless the Lord intervene. 3 girls and 1 boy so far and hoping it to be a boy so he can have another male to play with. However, either is fine us really. And yes, my wife is happy about it too.

 

[webdog]

Hello Isaiah.

Glad to hear things are progressing to the glory of the Lord and happiness of your family.

Since this has turned into a maternity thread :laugh: We just found out we are expecting another child in 9 or so months. This will make our 5th child :godisgood:

I am pretty sure it will be our last unless the Lord intervene. 3 girls and 1 boy so far and hoping it to be a boy so he can have another male to play with. However, either is fine us really. And yes, my wife is happy about it too.

Congratulations Allan, that's great news! Wow, 5! I have my hands full with 2!

 

[Isaiah40:28]

Hello Isaiah.

Glad to hear things are progressing to the glory of the Lord and happiness of your family.

Since this has turned into a maternity thread :laugh: We just found out we are expecting another child in 9 or so months. This will make our 5th child :godisgood:

I am pretty sure it will be our last unless the Lord intervene. 3 girls and 1 boy so far and hoping it to be a boy so he can have another male to play with. However, either is fine us really. And yes, my wife is happy about it too.

Thanks Allan.
And wow, that's great news for your family.

 

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