The role of the wife.

[LadyEagle]

Let's stick to the text and examine the usage of the word porneia.

I am not talking about sinning in general I am talking about porneia which is the word translated as fornication.

Read your Greek text and you will see what I mean. You can also use a Greek concordance and see how it is used in the NT, the intertestamental period, and the LXX.

What a joke, they won't do that. The definition of pornea keeps popping up time after time, but it is conveniently ignored because that throws their whole legalistic POV down the tubes. Sad.:tear: It is impossible to reason with the unreasonable. Even Paul said, "Let us reason together..."

From the other thread:

The divorced person is not an ex. He is currently in the state or position which God does not approve of, and if he remarried, then he is in a state of adultery. The ex-gambler was a former gambler, no longer in the grip of that sin. The ex-wife beater no longer is in an active role of beating his wife. Those ex's have given up, turned away from their sinful lifestyles. The divorced is currently at the table of divorce and partaking of it.
Like I said above, the divorced is in the current act of being in an unscriptural state.

With that line of reasoning, every Christian on the planet who had a divorce filed against them (even if they weren't unfaithful to their spouse) ever since 33 AD is an adulterer and won't go to heaven according to their POV. :tear:

 

[Brother Shane]

....unless they asked for forgiveness.


And just what am I unreasonable about?

 

[Amy.G]

The divorced person is not an ex. He is currently in the state or position which God does not approve of, and if he remarried, then he is in a state of adultery. The ex-gambler was a former gambler, no longer in the grip of that sin. The ex-wife beater no longer is in an active role of beating his wife. Those ex's have given up, turned away from their sinful lifestyles. The divorced is currently at the table of divorce and partaking of it.
Like I said above, the divorced is in the current act of being in an unscriptural state.

Un....beee......leeve.....a....BULL!

 

[Brother Bob]

The solution is not getting a wife or husband. The solution is beng holy and self control. Those in jail in segregation can easily remain celibate. That is not the issue Paul addresses in 1 Cor. 7

The sentence used in 1 Cor. 7:9 is an affirmation of reality. It is a solution to a situation already in place.

I will amen that......


porneia don't just cover fornication, you need to learn that, or you have no argument.
Definition: 1) illicit sexual intercourse
1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse
with animals etc.


BBob,


BBob,

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Un....beee......leeve.....a....BULL!

Yep...some think it is an ongoing act rather than an occurrence. Like I have said, many seem to believe divorce is the unforgivable sin. What a bunch of self-righteous malarkey!

 

[donnA]

Yep...some think it is an ongoing act rather than an occurrence. Like I have said, many seem to believe divorce is the unforgivable sin. What a bunch of self-righteous malarkey!

This says to me divorce is alright, don't like a spouse get rid of them and get another one. It's not the unforgivable sin obviously, but is it ok to sin knowing it is a sin, saying I intend to sin and don't care what God thinks or says. Divorce is disobedience. And a divorced person is still a divorced person, they are never again not a divorced person. Scripturally if they chose to marry again they must marry their spouse, they can not marry a different person.
How much disobedience is allowed before it's called sin?
And what makes you think a person who believes scripture should be called self righteous?

 

[donnA]

Un....beee......leeve.....a....BULL!

And just how many posts have you talked about love? You just lost the argument.

 

[gb93433]

The definition of pornea keeps popping up time after time, but it is conveniently ignored because that throws their whole legalistic POV down the tubes. Sad.:tear:

They ignore the text because they are deceived by the peple they listen to. If they studied they would have to let the text control their theology.

Much of their behavior reminds me of a young boy on TV many years ago that was encouraged by the older people to preach. Well he did preach but it was filled with shout, stomp, and spit (theatrics). Today I am told that there is no evidence that he is even a Christian. Humility goes a long ways because it is blessed by God. God opposes the proud. When God opposes someone he loses.

In 2001 I met a man who was a leader in what I would call a Christian cult. He was involved for 14 years. He preached in that grouip for several years. He taugtht people how to share their faith. I helped him to leave and begin to study the Bible for what it actually taught. He would say things that even young Christians recognized as wrong. He was that misled. If one reads the things of Joseph Smith he will quickly realize that in the beginning he was very close to orthodoxy but it did not take long for him to get more and more deceived.

When I meet some of those folks I ask them to name some people who are living for Christ because of their life. If they can name someone then I ask them to tell me about that person. What I usually find is that a lot of false teaching is purely intellectual dogma coupled with arrogance and presented as truth. Too often they are divisive and seldom anyone is living for Christ because of their life. If one checks to see if they are leaders they seldom find any followers which makes them a non-leader. It is mostly pride and arrogance instead of reaching other for Christ.

 

[gb93433]

This says to me divorce is alright, don't like a spouse get rid of them and get another one. It's not the unforgivable sin obviously, but is it ok to sin knowing it is a sin, saying I intend to sin and don't care what God thinks or says. Divorce is disobedience. And a divorced person is still a divorced person, they are never again not a divorced person. Scripturally if they chose to marry again they must marry their spouse, they can not marry a different person.

It is not what the Bible says to you. It is what the Bible teaches that is important.

If you will read the conditions of divorce and remmariage that Jesus and Paul taught, you will find a much different picture than what you suggest.

Could you explain 1 Cor. 7:15, 16 and Matthew 19:9?

And what makes you think a person who believes scripture should be called self righteous?

What is your point?

 

[Amy.G]

Scripturally if they chose to marry again they must marry their spouse

Not according to the LAW:

Deu 24:1 "WHEN a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house,
Deu 24:2 "when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man's wife,
Deu 24:3 "if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife,
Deu 24:4 "then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the LORD, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.

 

[donnA]

It is not what the Bible says to you. It is what the Bible teaches that is important.

If you will read the conditions of divorce and remmariage that Jesus and Paul taught, you will find a much different picture than what you suggest.

Could you explain 1 Cor. 7:15, 16 and Matthew 19:9?



What is your point?

If you go back and reread my post you'll see I was not addressing scripture, but was addressing a quote from another poster.

 

[donnA]

Not according to the LAW:

Deu 24:1 "WHEN a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house,
Deu 24:2 "when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man's wife,
Deu 24:3 "if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife,
Deu 24:4 "then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the LORD, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.

I don't know about you, but I'm not under the law. If you want to follow or enforce the law you must follow all the law, the bible says if your following the law theres no grace for you.

 

[Amy.G]

I don't know about you, but I'm not under the law. If you want to follow or enforce the law you must follow all the law, the bible says if your following the law theres no grace for you.

I thought that was what you were referring to when you said that a divorced person can only marry their spouse.
Where else does this idea come from?

 

[donnA]

Verses have been posted in these threads that say it, if one divorces and marries another they are an adulterer, No matter which of the two parties it is who remarries.

 

[Amy.G]

Verses have been posted in these threads that say it, if one divorces and marries another they are an adulterer, No matter which of the two parties it is who remarries.

There have been no verses posted that state that a divorced person is permitted to remarry their original spouse. I was just asking where you got that idea.

 

[Amy.G]

And just how many posts have you talked about love? You just lost the argument.

Start a thread on love and I'll talk about it! :laugh:

 

[donnA]

Do you think that perhaps reconciliation of a marriage is a bad thing Amy?

 

[Amy.G]

Do you think that perhaps reconciliation of a marriage is a bad thing Amy?

Absolutely not! It is a wonderful thing. I think it pleases God.