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The role of the wife.
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Yep, it's real easy to sit on the high horse on a web site concerning divorce and remarriage. But, until one has been in the trenches and seen the junk that one spouse can dump on another, one has little authority or sway with me in interpreting the Bible as to divorce and remarriage. As a pastor I've had to deal with some tough, very tough situations, and the answers aren't always black and white just as Bro. Bob has stated. I don't despise the youth of a 17 year old but I certainly see a young man who has a lot to learn about "real" life.
Brother Shane
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sag38 said:Yep, it's real easy to sit on the high horse on a web site concerning divorce and remarriage. But, until one has been in the trenches and seen the junk that one spouse can dump on another, one has little authority or sway with me in interpreting the Bible as to divorce and remarriage. As a pastor I've had to deal with some tough, very tough situations, and the answers aren't always black and white just as Bro. Bob has stated. I don't despise the youth of a 17 year old but I certainly see a young man who has a lot to learn about "real" life.
Tell it to God and expect Him to excuse you.
sag38 said:Yep, it's real easy to sit on the high horse on a web site concerning divorce and remarriage. But, until one has been in the trenches and seen the junk that one spouse can dump on another, one has little authority or sway with me in interpreting the Bible as to divorce and remarriage. As a pastor I've had to deal with some tough, very tough situations, and the answers aren't always black and white just as Bro. Bob has stated. I don't despise the youth of a 17 year old but I certainly see a young man who has a lot to learn about "real" life.
While we may not agree with what that young man writes and may see him as arrogant and ill prepared. Humility is the key to God working through us. We can get that by understanding God or the hard way through experience. The choice is ours. I do remember years ago that a young man was on TV proclaiming the gospel and the encouragement of the sdults around him. He was a shout stomp and spit type. Today I am told that there is no evidence of any faith in Christ and he lives like the world. I think we need to be careful to encourage young people and guide them in the right direction rather than heaping words of condemnation on them. We must help them to be humble before God and apply Galatians 6:1-5 when they need correction.
You may truly believe that but now compare what you wrote to what Jesus taught. Was he married?
People who know their Bible are miles ahead of those who rely exclusively on experience. Many have said over the years that you learn by experience. I have always asked, "What if your experience is wrong?"
If experience is a great teacher then why are so many movements whom God has used over the years started by young people. For exampple the modern missionary movement started by John Mott. I would much rather see a young person on fire for Christ than an old pew sitter. The greatest thing is when we see an elderly peron on fire for Christ though. Some live and die as though they never lived, while others lived and died as though they never died.
The gentleman who held me accountable for many years died in 1995 and he is still being talked about how he impacted the lives of so many in that church. People are spread out all over theworld because of him.
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Brother Bob
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Brother Shane said:Whenever it is only found in the book that is inspired for the Jews who actually practiced betrothal and would actually NEED that clarification -- and it is NO WHERE ELSE condoned or permitted by Jesus ANYWHERE in the Bible (actually condemned!) -- I believe you have no other choice.
So, you are saying that Jesus condoned "living" together!! Joseph was the husband of Mary, he just knew her not until Jesus was born.
You should have not problem whatsoever with people just "living together" without marriage, for that is what you are saying.
Also, you are saying Jesus required of one what He does not require of another, kinda like showing "respect of persons". You open up a whole another can of worms.
What I wrote was scripture. Jesus said it. I think not.
Seems to me if I say and stand as Jesus and you requested me to go back and read your writing, then we somehow need to let Jesus know that He needs to go back and read also.
Apparently, you're saying that Jesus misspoke himself in all other instances about divorce with fornication and the "right" to divorce, except for in the only book that is inspired for the Jews who practice betrothal?!
Because in all other instances He never felt it necessary to bring in the part of divorcement, does not mean we can just throw away part of the scripture. You do err.
To clarify that to the Jews who practiced betrothal that the man would not be held responsible for the woman's fornication -- that's why.
So, if Jesus gave him no right to put her away and she went to other men, you are saying the man who put her away, played not part in her fornication. I think he did, except fornication, of which Jesus set him free from the woman. Jesus is the only one who can divorce anyway. Man can put it on paper, but if Jesus does not accept it, then there is no divorce.
Maybe that problem will be gone when you teach that divorce is sin?! There's your answer.
I do teach it is sin, except for fornication. The same thing that our Lord taught. You act as if it is a very simple issue to deal with, which shows you have a lot to learn. As I said before, to do the work of the Lord when dealing with divorcement and double marriage, takes a lot of prayer for each case. Someday, I guarntee you will learn that, if you live long enough.
BBob,
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:applause:LadyEagle said:Yes, if someone here doesn't choke him first. :laugh:
Brother Shane
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So, you are saying that Jesus condoned "living" together!! Joseph was the husband of Mary, he just knew her not until Jesus was born.
You should have not problem whatsoever with people just "living together" without marriage, for that is what you are saying.
Also, you are saying Jesus required of one what He does not require of another, kinda like showing "respect of persons". You open up a whole another can of worms.
Are you saying that the way we marry today was the only way acceptable unto God?
Because in all other instances He never felt it necessary to bring in the part of divorcement, does not mean we can just throw away part of the scripture. You do err.
Where is your scripture for that? I do not want your opinion -- I want SCRIPTURE! The scripture you supply me with "saving for the cause of fornication" is applied for the Jewish customs. If you would care to know, you would study up on it instead of looking unlearned.
So, if Jesus gave him no right to put her away and she went to other men, you are saying the man who put her away, played not part in her fornication. I think he did, except fornication, of which Jesus set him free from the woman. Jesus is the only one who can divorce anyway. Man can put it on paper, but if Jesus does not accept it, then there is no divorce.
How could he possibly be responsible for the woman's fornication? If she leaves him, what else can he do?
I do teach it is sin, except for fornication. The same thing that our Lord taught. You act as if it is a very simple issue to deal with, which shows you have a lot to learn. As I said before, to do the work of the Lord when dealing with divorcement and double marriage, takes a lot of prayer for each case. Someday, I guarantee you will learn that, if you live long enough.
I guess you advise them it is okay to remarry too? Jesus never taught you can divorce under ANY circumstances -- none whatsoever. I hope you're happy with your one little scripture intended for the Jews.
Brother Shane
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LadyEagle said:Yes, if someone here doesn't choke him first. :laugh:
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Brother Bob
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I am very happy with Matt;, you can throw it out if you like.Brother Shane said:Are you saying that the way we marry today was the only way acceptable unto God?
It has always been what so ever God hath joined together. It has never been living together out of wedlock. Shows your ignorance again. That is where bastards come from.
Where is your scripture for that? I do not want your opinion -- I want SCRIPTURE! The scripture you supply me with "saving for the cause of fornication" is applied for the Jewish customs. If you would care to know, you would study up on it instead of looking unlearned.
You say Matt; has nothing to do with us, I say it does. All scripture is given for our learning.
2Ti 3:16All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Take it all, not just what you want.
How could he possibly be responsible for the woman's fornication? If she leaves him, what else can he do?
He put her away unlawful, that easy now isn't it?
I guess you advise them it is okay to remarry too? Jesus never taught you can divorce under ANY circumstances -- none whatsoever. I hope you're happy with your one little scripture intended for the Jews.
BBob,
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Brother Shane
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Who lived together out of wedlock? I never said that Matthew has nothing to do with us, sir, so keep such accusations out of your posts. I said that the scripture you supplied me with -- SCRIPTURE -- not BOOK, referred to the Jewish customs.
Brother Shane says David repented.Brother Shane said:He also repented! :thumbs:
The 66 'Books of the Bible' never say that, to my knowledge. I challenge anyone to show me where Scripture ever says David 'repented' of anything, with a chapter and verse.
Confess it? Yes. Just as the NT says we are to do in I John 1:6-10. But one has to import their own definition that Scripture does not give, to claim David repented of anything.
God, on the other hand, is said to repent or not repent more than 30 times. Hmmm!
Ed
FTR, superwoman8977 said nothing about either having, getting, or wanting another husband, at least so far in this thread.Brother Shane said:If you would have found yourself a Biblical husband (Ephesians 5:25-33), you wouldn't have had this problem. Do not suggest that God's commandment is no longer valid simply because you had to reap what you sew. I do believe, as others are saying -- you have no clue as to what submission is about -- and your husband had no clue as to how he was to act. He was unGodly to you -- and now you want to be unGodly to your next husband -- and the pattern continues. I recommend you not.Originally Posted by superwoman8977
Okay well heres the thing...I did the submissive thing for almost 7 years I put myself into this box and was there for my husband 24/7 even though my husband wasnt faithful to me and ended up leaving me for another woman. Am I going to do the submissive thing again, not a chance. I have been there and done that and am tired of being a doormat. I dont think wives being submissive works in todays day and age anyways since wives are called to do way more today than ever before.
Ed
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Good question! Is there really a difference??Cutter said:Is this just an exaggeration or a bald face lie?Brother Shane said:If I had a dollar for how many times I have been told "Judge not", I'd be rich. But if I had a penny for every person in this world that misinterprets that scripture, I'd be even richer.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Ed
EdSutton said:Good question! Is there really a difference??
Ed
No difference, Bro. Ed, but here is a young man that is more interested in judging others. Kinda like the beam in the eye thing! :thumbs:
I agree, but wondered how anyone could confess their sin to God and not repent.EdSutton said:Brother Shane says David repented.
The 66 'Books of the Bible' never say that, to my knowledge. I challenge anyone to show me where Scripture ever says David 'repented' of anything, with a chapter and verse.
Confess it? Yes. Just as the NT says we are to do in I John 1:6-10. But one has to import their own definition that Scripture does not give, to claim David repented of anything.
God, on the other hand, is said to repent or not repent more than 30 times. Hmmm!
Brother Shane
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Brother Shane says David repented.
The 66 'Books of the Bible' never say that, to my knowledge. I challenge anyone to show me where Scripture ever says David 'repented' of anything, with a chapter and verse.
Confess it? Yes. Just as the NT says we are to do in I John 1:6-10. But one has to import their own definition that Scripture does not give, to claim David repented of anything.
God, on the other hand, is said to repent or not repent more than 30 times. Hmmm!
Ed
Do you not believe that Psalm 51 if the prayer of repentance from David?
Brother Shane
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Cutter said:No difference, Bro. Ed, but here is a young man that is more interested in judging others. Kinda like the beam in the eye thing! :thumbs:
So when did I get a divorce? Matthew 7:1-5 is talking about the rules of judging! It tells us not to judge "judge not" if we are guilty of the same sin "and why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye" -- and then tells us to remove that sin from our life before we judge that person "thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye" -- if we did not, we would be hypocritical.
What is so hard to understand?
Brother Shane
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FTR, superwoman8977 said nothing about either having, getting, or wanting another husband, at least so far in this thread.
Ed
Ed, I am not going to go back and sort through all her posts, but I'm sure she will gladly inform you that she WILL NOT be submissive (unGodly) to her next husband. If she is not in a relationship, I am sorry - I misread. But I remember her talking about someone who is nice, let's her be her own self, etc., and I think I remember he going through the same thing she did? She even said she was through with the "marriage" thing. You do not need a husband to be unGodly. I think she is very confused. Perhaps you should go back and read while you're reading Matthew 7:1-5 again and come back and add something we both can work with.