The Rude Sunday Sunday Crowd At Restaurants

[Rippon]

And if we all weren't in such hurry to get to the buffet after we got done with church those poor waitresses may have had a chance to go to church themselves. Just thinking out loud.

Something for many here on this thread to think about.

 

[glazer1972]

I tipped a girl $5 Sunday afternoon on a $8-9 bill.

 

[saturneptune]

The part of this whole issue I have never understood is, a restaurant on Sunday at around noon is obviously filled with both church and those who do not attend. While there are jerks in both groups, what is it that makes those who just left a worship experience much more likely to act like that contrasted to a group of folks who don't attend church and are more than likely not Christians?

If we were going to snap at a waitress, would it not be more likely done after a bad day of work say on a Monday? What happens during a church service that makes the church crowd so angry? Maybe the pastor stepped on their self righteous toes.

Oh, and if there are any of you types lurking in on this thread, I will not even go into what a waiter or waitress might do to your food you are about to eat. (after you bless it of course)

 

[salzer mtn]

This rude attitude by the public toward public servants has nothing to do with church people. It has became a normal way a lot of people act these day's when they have to pay a bill. I call those type people in the video put on Christians. They offer up a half hearted or a re-herst prayer in public to be seen of men. Did you notice how everything became great again when the restaurant picked up the bill, these people will pull this trick again. They have became professionals at it.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

In how many of your areas are many restaurants actually closed on Sundays?

None for over 40 years. Are there still "blue laws" in the U.S.?

I have to take that back. In south Kansas City, there is a very successful restaurant that opened back in the 70s, and the story is that the owner promised the Lord that, should it become popular and successful, he would live on six days' receipts and close on Sunday. He's stayed true to his promise, and lots of Christian families go there the rest of the week because of how he (and now his sons) honor God.

 

[JohnnyReb]

My wife waitresses at a local small town southern restraunt on Sundays because its the best day to work. The people are always very kind and tip generously. Most the folks are of small congregations from around our small town and rural county. Several denominations come in to eat after church, Pentecostals, southern baptist, general baptist, church of god, church of Christ, Methodist, and even some 7th day Adventist. Everyone has been very kind to her. So this isn't always the situation on Sundays. Maybe location culture had alot to do with it.

 

[preacher4truth]

And if we all weren't in such hurry to get to the buffet after we got done with church those poor waitresses may have had a chance to go to church themselves. Just thinking out loud.

madre and I only go to three or four places on a regular basis. We get to know the waitstaff quite well and have a couple of regular stops where the folk scramble to get our table. We have lived most of our adult life together with neither the pot nor the window. I remember how much the little things meant in those lean years. Finding a bag of zucchini on the back porch was such a blessing. I vowed to never forget.

A lot of these ladies are scraping out an existence and I have been blessed enough in these later years to enjoy a meal out with my better half. madre and I have committed to being generous with our tips. These folks wait tables for a living. You can't fault them because the law says they can work for a few bucks and hour plus their tips. They still have folk that count on them to bring something home to keep a roof over their head and food on the table.

Quick story.....

madre, myself and a friend went to one of our regular haunts. The owners came out and chatted and ended up picking up our tab of around $70.00. We had already budgeted for the meal and tip so we gave the whole lump to the waitress. Years later and she told me how that tip was almost to the dollar what she needed to make up what she was short on her rent.

She's come to know the Lord. I've buried both her folks and half her kin. God brought a fine young man into her life and I stood before them when they said their vows. She doesn't make it to church as often as she would like because, ironically, they have to prep extra hard at the restaurant before the church crowd shows up.

Two bucks and a tract telling her she's going to hell doesn't sound like much of a testimony to me.

Great testimony!

I was sitting here thinking about the last time we've gone out for lunch or even dinner on a Sunday after services. It's been several years since we have. When we have gone we've never witnessed the snobby behavior in the video skit.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Great testimony!

I was sitting here thinking about the last time we've gone out for lunch or even dinner on a Sunday after services. It's been several years since we have. When we have gone we've never witnessed the snobby behavior in the video skit.

Make careful note of this man and his ministry Rob. He gets it!

 

[pinoybaptist]

I did not want to derail a thought Rev Mitchell brought up in another thread, but here is a typical scene at a restaurant after church.

Typical ? I don't think so. Isn't that a rather sweeping description, if you're singling out church-going folks, not necessarily believers ?

http://www.worshiphousemedia.com/mini-movies/7871/Faith-Without-Love

It is a fact that the group that goes to a restaurant after church on Sunday morning is some of the rudest, meanest, and cheapest tippers there are.

I don't know that about your denomination, yeah, maybe in your denomination, but it certainly is not true of OUR people. I've gone out with fellow PB's to restaurants, even the pipe-smoking, or tobacco-chewing ones, and I mention that only because these are the ones which most "christians" would look down their noses at as "wordly" and such, and PB's have always been gracious and kind with their words to those who serve them in restaurants. On the other hand, I've seen them treated with subtle disrespect by some of the young folks who wait on the table.

We should be the kindest, most understanding, and best tippers there are. If you cannot afford to tip, then you cannot afford to go out to eat.

wrong. tipping is voluntary, not obligatory. if I wanted to take my wife or family to dinner and had enough cash just for the meals, then I'd put the tip on the check.
besides, how do you know the man did not leave a tip for the waitress despite the FACT that in an effort to maximize profit, the restaurant did cut down on manpower the result of which is the family having to sit and wait for somebody to wait on them ? in most restaurants today you typically wait for somebody to point you to a table if the place is crowded. I know they do that at Country Buffet which is not exactly a high brow "I-can-take-your-orders-now" kind of restaurant, but enjoyable nevertheless.
So why was this family allowed to go to a table and then made to wait for a waitress ?

The waiters and waitresses depend on tips to survive, and make below a minimum wage as a base salary.

they took the job and know what they will be paid, so why should that be on the diner's conscience, regardless of whether they are Christians or not.

These folks work hard. They are there to make your dining experience the best they can. Every time you need more catsup, a drink refilled, more bread, a steak that was not cooked right, etc, they come and go to satisfy your every whim.

Oh, come on, we ALL work hard. That father worked hard so he can have the pleasure of taking his famiy to eat out in a restaurant where, Christian or not, they expect to be treated as customers. Not made to wait for a waitress, wait some more for their orders, get something spilled on them, and then get charged for something they did not order. He ordered a large ICED tea, not a large tea. there could have been a price difference, and don't tell me it's a matter of cents because a penny is still a penny, and we all know that when we buy something advertised as 9.99 in one store instead of outright $10.00 in another for the same item.

We do not live in a perfect world, and things go wrong. It is our reaction to them as Christians that destroys the Christian witness every Sunday in front of a lost world.

Why should the blame be on ALL Christians for the "fault" of this one family? They could be the exception to the rule, or maybe they're struggling with their tempers just as another would struggle with his libido and addiction to porn, or maybe they do have issues with faith, listening to the prayer the father recited, like many Christians have issues with their giving.
I mean, brother, they are members of OUR family in Christ, I'd give them a break before I give a break to somebody who is working to earn a lousy $5.00 an hour in lieu of worshipping the God who gave him/her the strength to work to earn that lousy $5.00 an hour, Christian or not.

There are regular arguments amongst the crew of restaurants about who has to work the shift on Sunday after church. It is a pattern all across the nation.

And you know for a fact that this is because they want to avoid those Christian "hypocrites", or they want to go to church ? and not because they would like to themselves go and enjoy Sunday with their families or buddies over bottles of beer watching the NFL, or something of like activities ?

My hat is off to those that have the patience to put up with the arrogance, rudeness, and sharp remarks day after day. I could not do it.

no argument here. I've slammed down the phone on customers who think I should jump when they tell me to after I ask how high.

The guy in the above clip would be wearing the glass of tea, and the woman would have the pecans from the salad stuffed up her nose. There is not enough tip money on this earth IMO to put up with this crowd. No doubt they will return to church Sunday night and gossip about their experience at the restaurant.

How do you know that about the gossiping ? In my opinion, you are being too harsh a critic of a family whose issues we know nothing of.

 

[Revmitchell]

wrong. tipping is voluntary, not obligatory.

Wrong tipping is obligatory. And failure to tip is to cheat the server. And shameful.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Wrong tipping is obligatory. And failure to tip is to cheat the server. And shameful.

okay. I'll buy that, and stand corrected. so how is anyone sure the father did not actually tip the waitress after all. anyone ?

 

[USN2Pulpit]

pinoy, i'm not saying this is true, but the way you lined out each one of your arguments makes it seem like you'd be a demanding customer at a restaurant! (see my smilie face here).

In principle, I agree that there should be certain expectations when we pay money for service, but we also ought to know that our wait staff is not responsible for everything that goes wrong, but gets most of the feedback for situations they often have no control over. Just be careful how you treat your wait staff. Be nice!

As for arguing over who has to work the church crowd - it's true. I've had two kids work at Pizza Hut during their teen years, and the tell me that the Sunday night church crowd is the worst in terms of being overly demanding and not tipping the wait staff.

So much, that when someone from my church was recognized, they said "I would never go to your church if that family represents who you are." Years ago, and we've recovered, but it was an embarrassing moment for me - and my kid.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Personally, I think that the OP is based on a caricature of church members more than on reality. As a former missionary I was able to observe the tipping patterns of many church groups and pastors and never saw one stiff a server. Most tip generously, as we do whenever we go out to eat. We were pretty well-known in our former locale of ministry and the servers would hurry to seat and serve us because they knew that we tip well.

Here is an interesting and, I think, balanced article on the issue of whether tipping is voluntary or mandatory:

http://www.tip20.com/why-should-you-tip/27

 

[pinoybaptist]

pinoy, i'm not saying this is true, but the way you lined out each one of your arguments makes it seem like you'd be a demanding customer at a restaurant! (see my smilie face here).

In principle, I agree that there should be certain expectations when we pay money for service, but we also ought to know that our wait staff is not responsible for everything that goes wrong, but gets most of the feedback for situations they often have no control over. Just be careful how you treat your wait staff. Be nice!

As for arguing over who has to work the church crowd - it's true. I've had two kids work at Pizza Hut during their teen years, and the tell me that the Sunday night church crowd is the worst in terms of being overly demanding and not tipping the wait staff.

So much, that when someone from my church was recognized, they said "I would never go to your church if that family represents who you are." Years ago, and we've recovered, but it was an embarrassing moment for me - and my kid.

My wife and I usually go out to eat after services when we are not having lunch at church, and there are times when we did have to wait nearly 15 minutes for somebody to take our orders and in my humble opinion if those who manage restaurants should only make it a policy that a customer is served within 5 minutes of being seated, max, even the naturally rude unchurched ones wouldn't find reason to give voice to their rudeness.
Nevertheless, I have never berated any waiter or waitress for the delay, though there were times, a couple, I think, when we just stood up and left and went and ate elsewhere.
I have been berated ONCE by a waitress at one chinese restaurant we eat at for not leaving a, she said, customary 30% tip for a $42.00 meal we once had, for which I left $10.00, and that is God's honest truth. We, of course, never ate at that restaurant again.
If that is true, that these people who serve at restaurants, avoid the supposedly "Christian" ones, then there is a big problem among the preachers and teachers because THEY are the ones who should be teaching and guiding their flocks.
For my part, I take sides, and that is the side of those who name the Name of Christ.
Not that I am excusing their faults, but simply because as the Bible says, they are men, like those who serve at restaurants, who have like passions as they do, and as I do.
I think this video was unfair in that its portrayal is that ALL Christians are a curse to the Name of Christ rather than a blessing.
John Quinones of What Would You Do would have treated them more fairly.
He gives those who do not seem to act more compassionately a chance to at least give their side.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My wife and I usually go out to eat after services when we are not having lunch at church, and there are times when we did have to wait nearly 15 minutes for somebody to take our orders and in my humble opinion if those who manage restaurants should only make it a policy that a customer is served within 5 minutes of being seated, max, even the naturally rude unchurched ones wouldn't find reason to give voice to their rudeness.
Nevertheless, I have never berated any waiter or waitress for the delay, though there were times, a couple, I think, when we just stood up and left and went and ate elsewhere.
I have been berated ONCE by a waitress at one chinese restaurant we eat at for not leaving a, she said, customary 30% tip for a $42.00 meal we once had, for which I left $10.00, and that is God's honest truth. We, of course, never ate at that restaurant again.
If that is true, that these people who serve at restaurants, avoid the supposedly "Christian" ones, then there is a big problem among the preachers and teachers because THEY are the ones who should be teaching and guiding their flocks.
For my part, I take sides, and that is the side of those who name the Name of Christ.
Not that I am excusing their faults, but simply because as the Bible says, they are men, like those who serve at restaurants, who have like passions as they do, and as I do.
I think this video was unfair in that its portrayal is that ALL Christians are a curse to the Name of Christ rather than a blessing.
John Quinones of What Would You Do would have treated them more fairly.
He gives those who do not seem to act more compassionately a chance to at least give their side.

Why don't you tell them Pinoy.....you drive up in the Mercedes....!:laugh:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

But this conversation Kinda reminds me of an off colored funny story aboot Football Violence told by Billy Connolly .....its a hoot, but be warned, its a bit rough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JjVg0Sbsh4

 

[saturneptune]

Typical ? I don't think so. Isn't that a rather sweeping description, if you're singling out church-going folks, not necessarily believers ?


I don't know that about your denomination, yeah, maybe in your denomination, but it certainly is not true of OUR people. I've gone out with fellow PB's to restaurants, even the pipe-smoking, or tobacco-chewing ones, and I mention that only because these are the ones which most "christians" would look down their noses at as "wordly" and such, and PB's have always been gracious and kind with their words to those who serve them in restaurants. On the other hand, I've seen them treated with subtle disrespect by some of the young folks who wait on the table.



wrong. tipping is voluntary, not obligatory. if I wanted to take my wife or family to dinner and had enough cash just for the meals, then I'd put the tip on the check.
besides, how do you know the man did not leave a tip for the waitress despite the FACT that in an effort to maximize profit, the restaurant did cut down on manpower the result of which is the family having to sit and wait for somebody to wait on them ? in most restaurants today you typically wait for somebody to point you to a table if the place is crowded. I know they do that at Country Buffet which is not exactly a high brow "I-can-take-your-orders-now" kind of restaurant, but enjoyable nevertheless.
So why was this family allowed to go to a table and then made to wait for a waitress ?



they took the job and know what they will be paid, so why should that be on the diner's conscience, regardless of whether they are Christians or not.



Oh, come on, we ALL work hard. That father worked hard so he can have the pleasure of taking his famiy to eat out in a restaurant where, Christian or not, they expect to be treated as customers. Not made to wait for a waitress, wait some more for their orders, get something spilled on them, and then get charged for something they did not order. He ordered a large ICED tea, not a large tea. there could have been a price difference, and don't tell me it's a matter of cents because a penny is still a penny, and we all know that when we buy something advertised as 9.99 in one store instead of outright $10.00 in another for the same item.



Why should the blame be on ALL Christians for the "fault" of this one family? They could be the exception to the rule, or maybe they're struggling with their tempers just as another would struggle with his libido and addiction to porn, or maybe they do have issues with faith, listening to the prayer the father recited, like many Christians have issues with their giving.
I mean, brother, they are members of OUR family in Christ, I'd give them a break before I give a break to somebody who is working to earn a lousy $5.00 an hour in lieu of worshipping the God who gave him/her the strength to work to earn that lousy $5.00 an hour, Christian or not.



And you know for a fact that this is because they want to avoid those Christian "hypocrites", or they want to go to church ? and not because they would like to themselves go and enjoy Sunday with their families or buddies over bottles of beer watching the NFL, or something of like activities ?



no argument here. I've slammed down the phone on customers who think I should jump when they tell me to after I ask how high.



How do you know that about the gossiping ? In my opinion, you are being too harsh a critic of a family whose issues we know nothing of.

IMO, your whole attitude wreaks of me first, myself and I, with a touch or arrogance. Yes being a waitress or waiter is hard work. Putting up with the public is hard work. Your father's occupation does not change that fact.

Admittedly, this is why I have stayed out of the public service professions. If that guy in the clip (it is not a skit) talked to me that way, we would have been wearing that cup of tea, and the wife would have the salad as part of her hair style.

The reason I know you are full of bull is I have experienced the same scenario many times at the table next to me. I also know for a fact waitresses argue about who has to work Sunday afternoon. You need an attitude adjustment. Did God elect some of his children to act like jackasses?

 

[Judith]

I did not want to derail a thought Rev Mitchell brought up in another thread, but here is a typical scene at a restaurant after church.

http://www.worshiphousemedia.com/mini-movies/7871/Faith-Without-Love

It is a fact that the group that goes to a restaurant after church on Sunday morning is some of the rudest, meanest, and cheapest tippers there are. We should be the kindest, most understanding, and best tippers there are. If you cannot afford to tip, then you cannot afford to go out to eat. The waiters and waitresses depend on tips to survive, and make below a minimum wage as a base salary.

These folks work hard. They are there to make your dining experience the best they can. Every time you need more catsup, a drink refilled, more bread, a steak that was not cooked right, etc, they come and go to satisfy your every whim. We do not live in a perfect world, and things go wrong. It is our reaction to them as Christians that destroys the Christian witness every Sunday in front of a lost world.

There are regular arguments amongst the crew of restaurants about who has to work the shift on Sunday after church. It is a pattern all across the nation.

My hat is off to those that have the patience to put up with the arrogance, rudeness, and sharp remarks day after day. I could not do it. The guy in the above clip would be wearing the glass of tea, and the woman would have the pecans from the salad stuffed up her nose. There is not enough tip money on this earth IMO to put up with this crowd. No doubt they will return to church Sunday night and gossip about their experience at the restaurant.

Either give these people a break or go home to eat.

I do not agree with your sweeping accusation or your proclamation that if a person cannot tip do not go out to eat.

 

[Revmitchell]

I do not agree with your sweeping accusation or your proclamation that if a person cannot tip do not go out to eat.

Well I knew there was folks like this out there but I never figured they would have the nerve to admit it.

 

[preacher4truth]

I do not agree with your sweeping accusation or your proclamation that if a person cannot tip do not go out to eat.

I do. Why should someone serve you for 2.00 an hour when you know they depend upon tips?

If you can't afford to give a tip, save even more money and eat something cheap at home.

Stop excusing your behavior as though not being able to afford the tip part is a legitimate excuse. Go home and eat instead.