THE SABBATH POLL

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quoting Claudia T,

"The Passover was followed by the seven days' feast of unleavened bread. On the second day of the feast, the first fruits of the year's harvest, a sheaf of barley, was presented before the Lord. All the ceremonies of the feast were types of the work of Christ. The deliverance of Israel from Egypt was an object lesson of redemption, which the Passover was intended to keep in memory. The slain lamb, the unleavened bread, the sheaf of first fruits, represented the Saviour."

Yet your Church emphatically denies the Seventh Day Sabbath was such a 'symbol of Christ'. And worse: Your Church denies the Resurrection meant anything for the Day on which it occurred: "Just a bare fact without any meaning for the day ...".

That't why you don't think it worth the while to ponder the possibility of it - or the necessity of it.

Now just look at this paragraph of yours, Claudia. When you come to its application, you've completely forgotten the application the resurrection had - both for the People as for the Day upon which it occurred. I've found it futile to make Adventists just SEE this vacuum in their thinking. It happens as often as every time they speak on these subjects I can show illustrations by the thousands while I'm completely unable to show any exceptions.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
The ceremonial laws were the laws nailed to the cross, not the 10 commandment law

I believe that's what I said.

The 10 commandments are moral laws and we still need to keep them today.

The ceremonial laws we do not. Most of those were put into effect for our health, hygeine, etc.

 

[Claudia_T]

Hi Blessed,

I meant Gerhard, not you... when I said that...
he seems to think we still have to keep the feast days, etc...

Claudia

 

[Eliyahu]

Sunday is not Sabbath, but it is the first Day or 8th Day ( Lev 9:1)which means a New Start.
I think Sabbath is a matter of Ceremonial Law, not the Moral Law.

 

[tamborine lady]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
The ceremonial laws were the laws nailed to the cross, not the 10 commandment law

Amen Claudia!!

Working for Jesus,

Tam

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
Quoting Claudia T,

"The Passover was followed by the seven days' feast of unleavened bread. On the second day of the feast, the first fruits of the year's harvest, a sheaf of barley, was presented before the Lord. All the ceremonies of the feast were types of the work of Christ. The deliverance of Israel from Egypt was an object lesson of redemption, which the Passover was intended to keep in memory. The slain lamb, the unleavened bread, the sheaf of first fruits, represented the Saviour."

Yet your Church emphatically denies the Seventh Day Sabbath was such a 'symbol of Christ'. And worse: Your Church denies the Resurrection meant anything for the Day on which it occurred: "Just a bare fact without any meaning for the day ...".

That't why you don't think it worth the while to ponder the possibility of it - or the necessity of it.

Now just look at this paragraph of yours, Claudia. When you come to its application, you've completely forgotten the application the resurrection had - both for the People as for the Day upon which it occurred. I've found it futile to make Adventists just SEE this vacuum in their thinking. It happens as often as every time they speak on these subjects I can show illustrations by the thousands while I'm completely unable to show any exceptions.

The Sabbath wasnt just a shadow of Christ,... the Sabbath was and is a part of the Ten Commandment Law of God.


Exodus 20:
3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6: And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12: Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13: Thou shalt not kill.
14: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15: Thou shalt not steal.
16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


and the reason that I dont think that the resurrection has anything to do with the Sabbath is because nobody has ever shown me in the scriptures that it does... besides the fact that it does show the Sabbath was still KEPT by God's people after the resurrection.

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Claudia_T:
No actually it says "till heaven and earth pass away" and lo and behold we are all still here.

When you fulfill your wedding vows that doesnt mean you stop keeping them. Christ being risen doesnt have a thing to do with it, Thats not scriptural.

The 10 commandments did not end at the cross, as we can see all through the new testament.

You're right - and that's just what I've said. What do you see nailed to the cross - the TC? or Jesus the Word-Law of God eternal?

Then let me tell you: "Heaven and earth passed away" when that Galilean died there on that cross, and faced oblivion more real than heaven and earth itself untill such time He would conquer. HERE, is "the Beginning of the creation of God" (Rv3?) and, its "END" or rest. So that on the Day that He rose, creation was established forever, and God's rest, come true. Here was the first Sabbath Day of eternity - the New Testament Sabbath - God's "Holy" once for all into the past as into the future. Don't think linear; think 'global', Christ in resurrection from the dead (past) the centre of all future. </font>[/QUOTE]I dont think so.

After circumcision and the ordinances connected with it lost their fsignificance, what still remained of the greatest importance?
"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." 1 Corinthians 7:19.


at the crucifixion of Christ "the veil of the temple was rent in twain"... the sacrificial lamb went free and the priest put the knife down... no more sacrifices needed..

Mt:27:51: And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent

These ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross, the sacrifices... etc


When Christ was crucified, the inner veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom, signifying that the great final sacrifice had been made, and that the system of sacrificial offerings was forever at an end.
"Having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a show of them openly, triumphing over them." Col.2:15. By reason of His death and resurrection Jesus became the minister of the "true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man." Heb. 8:2.

Nothing to do with the 10 commandments being obliterated

your idea about heaven and earth passing away when Jesus died on the cross is not biblical.. you are spiritualizing-away the scriptures. you need to take it jus as it reads.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quoting ClaudiaT,
"The Sabbath wasnt just a shadow of Christ,... the Sabbath was and is a part of the Ten Commandment Law of God."

Who denied? Not I.

 

[Claudia_T]

The Sabbath was and is NOT a shadow of Christ. And it is not a "symbol" of Christ. That is a dreamed-up idea not found in the Scriptures.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quoting ClaudiaT,

... then directly you deny , yourself, contradicting what you have just -half heartedly- admitted:

"and the reason that I dont think that the resurrection has anything to do with the Sabbath is because nobody has ever shown me in the scriptures that it does... besides the fact that it does show the Sabbath was still KEPT by God's people after the resurrection. "

Now it seems it is impossible someone might ever 'show you in the scriptures that the resurrection has anything to do with the Sabbath' ... while the Holy Spirit must convince one and give one eyes to see it: through the Scriptures. It absorbs all one's thoughts or not at all. But the Holy Spirit is already showing you, e.g., where you admitted: "... besides the fact that it does show the Sabbath was still KEPT by God's people after the resurrection".
I'll put it in this context for you:
The Apostolic Church NEVER 'assembled' in the sense of Christian worship, but for the worship of the RISEN Lord. True? Yes! WHEN did they SO assemble? Half a word suffices a sound mind ...

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
The Sabbath was and is NOT a shadow of Christ. And it is not a "symbol" of Christ. That is a dreamed-up idea not found in the Scriptures.

1. "God rested the Sabbath Day". You still insist "The Sabbath was and is NOT a shadow of Christ"?

 

[gekko]

"when that Galilean died there on that cross"
Jesus was Jewish.

"Sunday is not Sabbath, but it is the first Day or 8th Day ( Lev 9:1)which means a New Start.
I think Sabbath is a matter of Ceremonial Law, not the Moral Law."

the sabbath is in the ten commandments - the set of moral laws - saying the sabbath is only ceremonial is not scriptural.

"The Apostolic Church NEVER 'assembled' in the sense of Christian worship, but for the worship of the RISEN Lord. True? Yes! WHEN did they SO assemble? Half a word suffices a sound mind ..."

oh oh! i'll answer that one! the sabbath.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quoting Gekko,

"Jesus was Jewish" ... and was called 'that Galilean'.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quoting Gwkko,

"Sunday is not Sabbath, but it is the first Day or 8th Day ( Lev 9:1)which means a New Start.
I think Sabbath is a matter of Ceremonial Law, not the Moral Law."
You're talking straw.

 

[gekko]

i was quoting that from Eliyahu...

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by I Am Blessed 16:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Claudia_T:
The ceremonial laws were the laws nailed to the cross, not the 10 commandment law

I believe that's what I said.

The 10 commandments are moral laws and we still need to keep them today.

The ceremonial laws we do not. Most of those were put into effect for our health, hygeine, etc. </font>[/QUOTE]How can you be so sure?
Again, pay attentionto the relity before your eyes: What is nailed, or WHO, is nailed to the cross. If it were not THE 'moral' LAW of God, then what or who?

 

[gekko]

the sacrificial laws...

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by gekko:
the sacrificial laws...

The Reality before your eyes crucified was jesus Christ. He is God's Word - of Law; and therefore, 'THE Moral Law of God crucified and KILLED to RISE again the third day which happened to be as was ordained from eternity, the Sabbath Day - God's Day of Rest and Glory.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quote - whomever:
"the sabbath is in the ten commandments - the set of moral laws - saying the sabbath is only ceremonial is not scriptural."

I stressed the indistinguishability of the Sabbath - it's neither just 'ceremonial', nor just 'moral'. Jesus Christ the Last and First Word of God on His Law, represents God's Law also on the cross and through death and grave unto resurrection from the dead invincible

 

[gekko]

show me scripture gerhard. SCRIPTURE to aid you in your argument.

where's it say that Jesus is God's word - of law?