THE SABBATH

[Alofa Atu]

You're trying to equate the passover command given to Israel with Jesus. Won't work.

You're the one who said:

No Scripture commands non-Israelis to observe the sabbath, same as none commands us to observe passover.

I showed you that there was indeed such scripture when I quoted:

Then you are claiming you have no need of Jesus Christ -

1Co_5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:​

You seemed to have missed this command in regards "passover":

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
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Christians are indeed to "keep the feast" of "passover", but not in the natural (sacrifice of natural lamb, in a day associated or calculated by/with natural new moon), but the spiritual (sacrifice of the Lamb of God), "with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth", for "Christ our (the Christians) passover is sacrificed for us."

Thus even "Pentecost" is for Christians, see Acts 2:1-3,33, Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 5:6, &c. So also for the other feasts, like "firstfruits" (see 1 Corinthians 15:20,23), "trumpets" (Revelation 9:5,6,10, 10:1-6), "day of atonement" (Revelation 9:13-15, 10:6, 14:6-12; Daniel 8:13-14,26) and "tabernacles" (Revelation 7:9, 14:13-20, 15:2-3, &c).

 

[robycop3]

Surely it does, as already addressed:

Yes, as written not as you've tried to twist it, trying to cover for your guru, EGW.

 

[robycop3]

You're the one who said:

I showed you that there was indeed such scripture when I quoted:

You seemed to have missed this command in regards "passover":

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
​

Christians are indeed to "keep the feast" of "passover", but not in the natural (sacrifice of natural lamb, in a day associated or calculated by/with natural new moon), but the spiritual (sacrifice of the Lamb of God), "with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth", for "Christ our (the Christians) passover is sacrificed for us."

Thus even "Pentecost" is for Christians, see Acts 2:1-3,33, Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 5:6, &c. So also for the other feasts, like "firstfruits" (see 1 Corinthians 15:20,23), "trumpets" (Revelation 9:5,6,10, 10:1-6), "day of atonement" (Revelation 9:13-15, 10:6, 14:6-12; Daniel 8:13-14,26) and "tabernacles" (Revelation 7:9, 14:13-20, 15:2-3, &c).

For the umpteenth time, GOD GAVE PASSOVER (AND THE SABBATH) ONLY TO ISRAEL !

 

[Alofa Atu]

For the umpteenth time, GOD GAVE PASSOVER (AND THE SABBATH) ONLY TO ISRAEL !

Jesus is Israel. Matthew 2:13-15,19-21; Hosea 11:1, just to begin with. Jesus is the real Prince with God, the real overcomer.

 

[Sai]

The sabbath was not a corporate day of worship for Israel. Therefore it is not a corporate day of worship for the church.

The only corporate days of worship were the Jewish feast days when all Jews were required to attend. And they were commanded to observe the feast near the tabernacle or the temple.

For an example; If the sabbath was a required day of corporate worship and I lived in Galilee, that was a three day walk. On Wednesday Thursday Friday I walk to keep the sabbath at the Temple. Then on Sunday Monday Tuesday I walk back to Galilee just in time to turn around and head back to the Temple.

End of thread.


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[percho]

And for me, let it not be -- to glory, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which to me the world hath been crucified, and I to the world; for in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation; and as many as by this rule do walk -- peace upon them, and kindness, and on the Israel of God! Gal 6:14-16 YLT

Not good is your glorying; have ye not known that a little leaven the whole lump doth leaven? cleanse out, therefore, the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, according as ye are unleavened, for also our passover for us was sacrificed -- Christ, so that we may keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened food of sincerity and truth. 1 Cor 5:6-9 YLT

And himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all -- himself -- first, Col 1:18 YLT

Would there be an Israel of God without the cross of Christ unto death, Christ our (the Israel of God) sacrificed for us?

Why would the Israel of God, show the death of Christ, until he comes?

The day following the Passover the sacrifice of Christ was a feast day, a day of rest. On that day Christ was dead, whatever that means. The next day, Christ was still dead, whatever that means. The next day the third day Christ was still dead, whatever that means. After the third day and on the third day and in the third Christ was quickened by the Spirit, Christ received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, the Son was given, glory, he was glorified and the became available to be poured out on men.

The Israel of God had been unleavened, their sins had been washed away in the blood of the firstborn out of the dead> I will give you proof of that statement. The Lamp of God, our Passover had been sacrificed for us but had he not been risen out of the dead, had he not been the firstborn out of the dead, we would still be in our sins> 1 Cor 15:17,18 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

There would be no people of faith, there would be no Israel of God/

Why would the Israel of God care about keeping the feast that followed the Passover or any other appointed day of rest of God?

 

[Alofa Atu]

The sabbath was not a corporate day of worship for Israel. Therefore it is not a corporate day of worship for the church.

The only corporate days of worship were the Jewish feast days when all Jews were required to attend. And they were commanded to observe the feast near the tabernacle or the temple.

For an example; If the sabbath was a required day of corporate worship and I lived in Galilee, that was a three day walk. On Wednesday Thursday Friday I walk to keep the sabbath at the Temple. Then on Sunday Monday Tuesday I walk back to Galilee just in time to turn around and head back to the Temple.

End of thread.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

You have a confusion of "temple" with "synagogue" (G4864, or gathering together, also translated "assembly" (James 2:2) and "congregation" (Acts 13:43)):

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.​

Heb_10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. (two fold meaning here, the 7th day the sabbath of the Lord, and the great Day of the Lord, the Millennium, or final 1000 year period; 2 Peter 3:8; &c/)

Lev_23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

PS. at Mt. Sinai (Even Exodus 20), they were all together (Exodus 19:11,17), at the same 'camp', and present and accounted for before God. What would you call that?​

Seems, the thread continues, in defiance of your failed prediction, and contrarily to your attempted and aborted position.

 

[Sai]

You have a confusion of "temple" with "synagogue" (G4864, or gathering together, also translated "assembly" (James 2:2) and "congregation" (Acts 13:43)):

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.​

Heb_10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. (two fold meaning here, the 7th day the sabbath of the Lord, and the great Day of the Lord, the Millennium, or final 1000 year period; 2 Peter 3:8; &c/)

Lev_23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

PS. at Mt. Sinai (Even Exodus 20), they were all together (Exodus 19:11,17), at the same 'camp', and present and accounted for before God. What would you call that?​

Seems, the thread continues, in defiance of your failed prediction, and contrarily to your attempted and aborted position.

And when was the sabbath law commenced and when were synagogues first introduced to Israel? Child please!


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[Alofa Atu]

And when was the sabbath law commenced

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

and when were synagogues first introduced to Israel?

Depends on what you mean. The word synagogue didn't come into use as for a building, or place of gathering unto the days of Nehemiah, in the reformation of Israel. Yet, even in Genesis the family, was to gather on the sabbath before God, even as it was in the days of Moses,

Lev_23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Yet, if we consider the so-called LXX, we can see the word used there also, even in Genesis 1:9, wherein the waters (which are symbols of peoples) were 'gathered together into one place' before God under heaven, as an assembly of waters (of peoples), wherein the waters (peoples), for even the "deeps" are to "praise the Lord" (Psalms 148:7) were separated from the dry land (a symbol of the heathen nations; Job 9:24; &c).

 

[Sai]

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Depends on what you mean. The word synagogue didn't come into use as for a building, or place of gathering unto the days of Nehemiah, in the reformation of Israel. Yet, even in Genesis the family, was to gather on the sabbath before God, even as it was in the days of Moses,

Lev_23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Yet, if we consider the so-called LXX, we can see the word used there also, even in Genesis 1:9, wherein the waters (which are symbols of peoples) were 'gathered together into one place' before God under heaven, as an assembly of waters (of peoples), wherein the waters (peoples), for even the "deeps" are to "praise the Lord" (Psalms 148:7) were separated from the dry land (a symbol of the heathen nations; Job 9:24; &c).

Since you need to look up stuff, try look up the law that requires Israel to meet at the temple and not in the high places that lazy Jews preferred please. Then once you’ve done this you will have proved my point that corporate worship was not permitted by Mosaic law apart from the tabernacle of Moses’ day and or apart from the days of Solomon’s temple. Lmk what you find bro


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[Sai]

Hmmm silence..


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Sai]

Since you need to look up stuff, try look up the law that requires Israel to meet at the temple and not in the high places that lazy Jews preferred please. Then once you’ve done this you will have proved my point that corporate worship was not permitted by Mosaic law apart from the tabernacle of Moses’ day and or apart from the days of Solomon’s temple. Lmk what you find bro


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“Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before Jehovah thy God in the place which he shall choose: in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles; and they shall not appear before Jehovah empty:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭ASV‬‬
Deuteronomy 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before Jehovah thy God in the place which he shall choose: in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles | American Standard Version (ASV) | Download The Bible App Now

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[Sai]

So the main point here is that the sabbath was not a day of corporate worship but of rest and to be observed at home.

By going to church on sabbath you are breaking the sabbath because no work is supposed to be done, simply getting in your car, or catching a bus, are works that one mustn’t do.


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[Salty]

So the main point here is that the sabbath was not a day of corporate worship but of rest and to be observed at home.

By going to church on sabbath you are breaking the sabbath because no work is supposed to be done, simply getting in your car, or catching a bus, are works that one mustn’t do.

In OT times - A jew was allowed to travel about 2,000 cubits on the Sabbath - about 1/2 mile.

And remember in the NT - churches did meet on Sunday -

 

[Alofa Atu]

In OT times - A jew was allowed to travel about 2,000 cubits on the Sabbath - about 1/2 mile.

Pharisaical rule.

And remember in the NT - churches did meet on Sunday -

In the OT and NT, Jews met on many days of the week, at synagogue and at Temple, depending. Nothing new there. None of the extra gathering replaces the obedience required for the 4th commandment. In fact, the 4th commandment covers every single day of the week.

 

[Alofa Atu]

“Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before Jehovah thy God in the place which he shall choose: in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles; and they shall not appear before Jehovah empty:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭ASV‬‬
Deuteronomy 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before Jehovah thy God in the place which he shall choose: in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles | American Standard Version (ASV) | Download The Bible App Now

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What does the 3 feasts (seasonal, yearly; Lev. 23) have to do with the weekly cycle of 7 (Genesis 1-2; Exodus 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15?

 

[Alofa Atu]

Hmmm silence..

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You sure are impatient. You are not a Sai-centralist are you? (the whole universe revolves around you and your time?)

 

[Sai]

You sure are impatient. You are not a Sai-centralist are you? (the whole universe revolves around you and your time?)

Yes the tama sa’a


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[Alofa Atu]

So the main point here is that the sabbath was not a day of corporate worship but of rest and to be observed at home.

By going to church on sabbath you are breaking the sabbath because no work is supposed to be done, simply getting in your car, or catching a bus, are works that one mustn’t do.


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Based upon what scripture?

 

[Sai]

Based upon what scripture?

Dude I’ve moved on from this this thread is closed.


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