THE SABBATH

[Alofa Atu]

Dude I’ve moved on from this this thread is closed.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

Dude means "well dressed man", ie in scriptural matters, in the righteousness of Christ, who, always honoured His (our) Father in Heaven, by keeping the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD holy:

Luk 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luk 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.​

Did you see that the 7th day the Sabbath is directly connected to the New Covenant, the New Testament, to the Holy Spirit filled Christian, and the Everlasting Gospel itself?

 

[mailmandan]

Did you see that the 7th day the Sabbath is directly connected to the New Covenant, the New Testament, to the Holy Spirit filled Christian, and the Everlasting Gospel itself?

No, but I can see that your perverted sabbath gospel is directly connected to "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (2 Corinthians 4:3,4; Galatians 1:6-9)

 

[Sai]

Dude means "well dressed man", ie in scriptural matters, in the righteousness of Christ, who, always honoured His (our) Father in Heaven, by keeping the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD holy:

Luk 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luk 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.​

Did you see that the 7th day the Sabbath is directly connected to the New Covenant, the New Testament, to the Holy Spirit filled Christian, and the Everlasting Gospel itself?

Are you sure you’re saved? Do you believe Jesus is God?


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Alofa Atu]

Are you sure you’re saved?

I have the assurance of salvation that the Bible (KJB) speaks of, but do I equate that to the unscriptural ideology of OSAS? No.

Do you believe Jesus is God?

Jesus is "God" (Genesis 1:7; John 1:1c; the Person/Being of the Son), but not "God" (Genesis 1:6; John 1:1b, the Person/Being of the Father) and neither "God" ("God saw" Genesis 1:10; the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost). The Son is eternal Deity, I AM, Alpha Omega, Jesus JEHOVAH (but not the JEHOVAH the "Ancient of Days", the Person/Being of the Father), etc. 'Jesus' is one of the Trio, and He is not Trio, but one of the "I AM".

 

[Sai]

I have the assurance of salvation that the Bible (KJB) speaks of, but do I equate that to the unscriptural ideology of OSAS? No.

Jesus is "God" (Genesis 1:7; John 1:1c; the Person/Being of the Son), but not "God" (Genesis 1:6; John 1:1b, the Person/Being of the Father) and neither "God" ("God saw" Genesis 1:10; the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost). The Son is eternal Deity, I AM, Alpha Omega, Jesus JEHOVAH (but not the JEHOVAH the "Ancient of Days", the Person/Being of the Father), etc. 'Jesus' is one of the Trio, and He is not Trio, but one of the "I AM".

So do you believe Jesus God?


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Alofa Atu]

So do you believe Jesus God?

Tulou, but are you ESL?

 

[Sai]

Tulou, but are you ESL?

That’s not what I asked. Do you believe Jesus is God?


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Salty]

I have the assurance of salvation that the Bible (KJB) speaks of, but do I equate that to the unscriptural ideology of OSAS? No. ....

How can you have assurance - whey you believe you can loose your salvation?

and I also would be interested if you believe that Jesus is God the Son?

 

[Alofa Atu]

How can you have assurance

The Bible (KJB) says so. I believe what it says.

For instance:

Luk_1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Heb_10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Heb_6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1Th_1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

Col_2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Act_17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

2Ti_3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

1Jn_3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

Act_2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Isa_32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.​

Assurance, Justification Made Simple. This small pocket book may give you better picture of what I believe.

https://archive.org/download/amazin...lor - Assurance Justification Made Simple.pdf​

- whey you believe you can loose your salvation?

Those two things, "assurance" and "loss" are individual and separate things, and the Bible (KJB) says that we can indeed lose salvation, by turning from it.

Assurance is not a mandate of force, nor is it one of uncondition. God's salvation is always conditional.

King Saul of the OT is an example, and Ananias and Sapphira of the NT are another.

Salvation is to be brought back into the restored relationship with God. Lucifer had the relationship with God as did Adam. They had freedom of choice all along the way.

Salvation from Egypt is the physical type of the spiritual matter:

Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Deu_11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;

1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.​

Also the Sanctuary is the pattern that God follows, and in such is the difference between a lamb of the daily, and the Day of Atonement, in which a person, even though forgiven in the days of the year, if found untrue, could still be "cut off" from life (Psalms 77:13; Leviticus 16 & 23, &c.).

and I also would be interested if you believe that Jesus is God the Son?

It kinda depends on what you mean by "Jesus is God the Son". If it carries any connotation of the Roman Catholic "trinity", then the answer is "no", but if you are simply asking if Jesus is "God" (uncreated and eternal Deity, of the same nature of the Father) and the eternal "Son" (always was the Son by nature, not merely playing a 'role' or office) of the Father (and is not the Person/Being of the Father, neither the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit), then the answer is "yes".

The phrase "God the Son" doesn't actually appear in scripture, so I am reluctant to utilize it so readily, though in certain circumstances I can simply say, 'yes', while in others, 'no'. It all depends on the definition of the person asking the question.

The scripture (KJB) does explicitly say that the Person/Being of the "Son" of the "Father" is "God" (Genesis 1:7; John 1:1c; the Person/Being of the Son), but He is not "God" (Genesis 1:6; John 1:1b, the Person/Being of the Father; the Ancient of Days; ie, in Daniel) and neither "God" ("God saw" Genesis 1:10; the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost).

Again notice, the two God's (Father & Son; just for our discussion):

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.​

"God" (the Word; Son), was "with" "God" (the Father) "in the beginning" (and so also the Holy Ghost).

Thus "God" was "with" "God", and together (with the Holy Ghost, not under discussion here), and these acting together in perfect harmony, as a chord, a perfect family, a perfect relationship, are seen as "one" (unity, as husband and wife are together with God uniting them, but individual persons, or as the prophets, many voices/persons, once message, or as the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, even Paul as individuals, but a united front, or as the many books of the Bible, that form a great unity (cohesiveness)). Godhead, over all creation.

In that sense, Jesus is "God the Son". I do not mean that Jesus is a piece of a three-headed hydra.

The word "God" can refer to a number of things. "Nature" (Deity), "Rulership" (authority/dominion or position), individual Persons/Beings (Father, Son or Holy Ghost/Spirit, or even satan (or devils/idols) and mankind as Adam, and or kings) etc. If you would like scripture for those, let me know.

 

[Alofa Atu]

That’s not what I asked. Do you believe Jesus is God?

Asked and answered.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is (εστιν) Lord also of the sabbath.​

Mar 2:27 και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο (G1096) ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον
Mar 2:28 ωστε κυριος εστιν ο υιος του ανθρωπου και του σαββατου​

When Jesus said that He "is" (present tense, ongoing, meaning even now) "Lord" "also" "of the sabbath", what did Jesus mean when He said "Lord"?

You see, from the perspective of Jesus, and the writers of the NT, when they associated the koine Greek word "κυριος" (kurios, Lord) to Jesus, it is the way of translating into koine Greek the Hebrew OT word "JEHOVAH". As an example, the so called LXX does this:

Exo 20:8 μνήσθητι τὴν ἡμέραν τῶν σαββάτων ἁγιάζειν αὐτήν.
Exo 20:9 ἓξ ἡμέρας ἐργᾷ καὶ ποιήσεις πάντα τὰ ἔργα σου·
Exo 20:10 τῇ δὲ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ σάββατα κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ σου· οὐ ποιήσεις (G4160) ἐν αὐτῇ πᾶν ἔργον, σὺ καὶ ὁ υἱός σου καὶ ἡ θυγάτηρ σου, ὁ παῖς σου καὶ ἡ παιδίσκη σου, ὁ βοῦς σου καὶ τὸ ὑποζύγιόν σου καὶ πᾶν κτῆνός σου καὶ ὁ προσήλυτος ὁ παροικῶν ἐν σοί.
Exo 20:11 ἐν γὰρ ἓξ ἡμέραις ἐποίησεν (G4160) κύριος τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν καὶ τὴν θάλασσαν καὶ πάντα τὰ ἐν αὐτοῖς καὶ κατέπαυσεν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ· διὰ τοῦτο εὐλόγησεν κύριος τὴν ἡμέραν τὴν ἑβδόμην καὶ ἡγίασεν αὐτήν. --

Exo 20:8 זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exo 20:9 שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exo 20:10 ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exo 20:11 כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
​

Yet, the NT writers knew of the distinction in Persons/Beings of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, as each one is one "El" (singular, individual) of the "אלהיך" "Elohiym" (true plural, three), translated into "θεῷ" (thew) in the so called LXX (but really should have been translated into plural as in other places, but this so called LXX follows Origen's Hexapla, which is Roman Catholic, and as such, makes mistakes).

Therefore, in Mark 2:27-28, Jesus stated that He "is" (presently, even now) the "Lord" (JEHOVAH) of the sabbath, which is plainly the 7th day, and as such, Jesus was the one (El, God) which "made" it, at the will/command of the El, God the Father. Thus in John 1:1, we see "El" (Jesus JEHOVAH, the Son) with "El" (Ancient of Days JEHOVAH, the Father), and with the Holy Ghost, they are family JEHOVAH "Elohiym" (of Genesis 1), and the individuals in the latter verses 6 and 7, &c.

For as the Bible says, all things were "made" by Jesus (Colossians 1:16), and "for" Jesus, by the command/will of the Father (Revelation 4:11).

 

[Salty]

... The phrase "God the Son" doesn't actually appear in scripture, so I am reluctant to utilize it so readily, though in certain circumstances I can simply say, 'yes', while in others, 'no'. . ...

and neither is the word Trinity?

 

[Alofa Atu]

and neither is the word Trinity?

Correct, which is why it is not a safe word to use, and especially given the heretical definition that Rome applies to it.

 

[Salty]

Correct, which is why it is not a safe word to use, and especially given the heretical definition that Rome applies to it.

I do not care what Rome says -
There are things they do, that we as a Baptist church do - makes no difference.

 

[Alofa Atu]

I do not care what Rome says -
There are things they do, that we as a Baptist church do - makes no difference.

A lot of those "things" that "Baptist churc[es]" do, that "Rome" "do[es]" are heretical. Many Baptist churches (whatever differentiation) follow Roman Catholicism in both doctrine and practice, as for instance, 'state of the dead' (immortal soul/spirit theology), 'eternal torment' (which is a derivative of the other), 'instant reward (Heaven/hell upon death)' (which is a derivative of the first), 'sunday sacredness', 'change of the Ten commandments', 'Michael archangel is just a creature', 'old covenant was the ten commandments', '[some, depending] no tithes' &c. Some even use the same corrupt mss, and sources in their Bibles (in effect, using Rome's Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, etc).

 

[Sai]

Asked and answered.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is (εστιν) Lord also of the sabbath.​

Mar 2:27 και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο (G1096) ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον
Mar 2:28 ωστε κυριος εστιν ο υιος του ανθρωπου και του σαββατου​

When Jesus said that He "is" (present tense, ongoing, meaning even now) "Lord" "also" "of the sabbath", what did Jesus mean when He said "Lord"?

You see, from the perspective of Jesus, and the writers of the NT, when they associated the koine Greek word "κυριος" (kurios, Lord) to Jesus, it is the way of translating into koine Greek the Hebrew OT word "JEHOVAH". As an example, the so called LXX does this:

Exo 20:8 μνήσθητι τὴν ἡμέραν τῶν σαββάτων ἁγιάζειν αὐτήν.
Exo 20:9 ἓξ ἡμέρας ἐργᾷ καὶ ποιήσεις πάντα τὰ ἔργα σου·
Exo 20:10 τῇ δὲ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ σάββατα κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ σου· οὐ ποιήσεις (G4160) ἐν αὐτῇ πᾶν ἔργον, σὺ καὶ ὁ υἱός σου καὶ ἡ θυγάτηρ σου, ὁ παῖς σου καὶ ἡ παιδίσκη σου, ὁ βοῦς σου καὶ τὸ ὑποζύγιόν σου καὶ πᾶν κτῆνός σου καὶ ὁ προσήλυτος ὁ παροικῶν ἐν σοί.
Exo 20:11 ἐν γὰρ ἓξ ἡμέραις ἐποίησεν (G4160) κύριος τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν καὶ τὴν θάλασσαν καὶ πάντα τὰ ἐν αὐτοῖς καὶ κατέπαυσεν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ· διὰ τοῦτο εὐλόγησεν κύριος τὴν ἡμέραν τὴν ἑβδόμην καὶ ἡγίασεν αὐτήν. --

Exo 20:8 זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exo 20:9 שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exo 20:10 ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exo 20:11 כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
​

Yet, the NT writers knew of the distinction in Persons/Beings of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, as each one is one "El" (singular, individual) of the "אלהיך" "Elohiym" (true plural, three), translated into "θεῷ" (thew) in the so called LXX (but really should have been translated into plural as in other places, but this so called LXX follows Origen's Hexapla, which is Roman Catholic, and as such, makes mistakes).

Therefore, in Mark 2:27-28, Jesus stated that He "is" (presently, even now) the "Lord" (JEHOVAH) of the sabbath, which is plainly the 7th day, and as such, Jesus was the one (El, God) which "made" it, at the will/command of the El, God the Father. Thus in John 1:1, we see "El" (Jesus JEHOVAH, the Son) with "El" (Ancient of Days JEHOVAH, the Father), and with the Holy Ghost, they are family JEHOVAH "Elohiym" (of Genesis 1), and the individuals in the latter verses 6 and 7, &c.

For as the Bible says, all things were "made" by Jesus (Colossians 1:16), and "for" Jesus, by the command/will of the Father (Revelation 4:11).

So does that mean you believe Jesus is God?


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Alofa Atu]

So does that mean you believe Jesus is God?

Asked and answered, but again:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Joh 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
​

Did you notice the colours? Did you notice the word "with"? If so, make a sentence with ellipses from John 1:1 unto John 1:18 for all Blue, and another for all Purple. Then combine them.

As for instance:

"the Word ... the Word was God", even the "true Light", the "only begotten Son", "Jesus Christ", who was "with" "God" "the Father", and it was this Person/Being which "came unto His own", who "declared" "God", "the Father" to mankind.

Therefore Jesus is God, and not God, for God was with God, and God declared God.

 

[Sai]

Asked and answered, but again:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Joh 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
​

Did you notice the colours? Did you notice the word "with"? If so, make a sentence with ellipses from John 1:1 unto John 1:18 for all Blue, and another for all Purple. Then combine them.

As for instance:

"the Word ... the Word was God", even the "true Light", the "only begotten Son", "Jesus Christ", who was "with" "God" "the Father", and it was this Person/Being which "came unto His own", who "declared" "God", "the Father" to mankind.

Therefore Jesus is God, and not God, for God was with God, and God declared God.

Ok just wanted to be clear thx.
Now why would your “trust” be in the KJV? What does that mean?


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Alofa Atu]

Ok just wanted to be clear thx.

From my perspective, it was clear in the first response.

Now why would your “trust” be in the KJV?

My "trust" is in Jesus Christ, even God, as it is written:

2Sa_22:31 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

1Ch_5:20 And they were helped against them, and the Hagarites were delivered into their hand, and all that were with them: for they cried to God in the battle, and he was intreated of them; because they put their trust in him.

Job_13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.

Psa_2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Psa_18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

Psa_34:22 The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.

Psa_37:40 And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

Psa_62:8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.

Psa_64:10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory.

Pro_30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Nah_1:7 The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

Heb_2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.​

The King James Bible (KJB), that I hold in my hand, is the inspired and preserved word of God in English (Psalms 12:6-7; Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:22; John 8:47; &c).

I can have faith and/or trust in it, God's words, only as I have faith and/or trust in God first. I see His perfect character in action (see John 3:16), I have confidence in His word, and His word says that He preserves His words to a thousand generations (Psalms 105:8). Other smaller confidences also are provided, such as the fulfillment of prophecy therein, and in its perfect cohesiveness, and without error (including contradiction) in its words (John 10:35).

What does that mean?

I think your question is based on a misunderstanding (of a few things, one of which is my position in regards the KJB).

I know that some like to cling to 'originals'-onlyism (not saying that is yourself), but even Jesus Himself when He walked this earth during His earthly ministry, didn't have one single "original" to quote from. He had copies of copies. Even the Ten Commandments themselves were a copy (Moses broke the first set, think about this, those stone tables were from God's own throne, and were not of this earth, they were sapphire stone from another world, 3rd Heaven), and that which we have written in the OT, and NT of those Ten Commandments are simply a copy from those.

 

[Sai]

From my perspective, it was clear in the first response.

My "trust" is in Jesus Christ, even God, as it is written:

2Sa_22:31 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

1Ch_5:20 And they were helped against them, and the Hagarites were delivered into their hand, and all that were with them: for they cried to God in the battle, and he was intreated of them; because they put their trust in him.

Job_13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.

Psa_2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Psa_18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

Psa_34:22 The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.

Psa_37:40 And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

Psa_62:8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.

Psa_64:10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory.

Pro_30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Nah_1:7 The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

Heb_2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.​

The King James Bible (KJB), that I hold in my hand, is the inspired and preserved word of God in English (Psalms 12:6-7; Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:22; John 8:47; &c).

I can have faith and/or trust in it, God's words, only as I have faith and/or trust in God first. I see His perfect character in action (see John 3:16), I have confidence in His word, and His word says that He preserves His words to a thousand generations (Psalms 105:8). Other smaller confidences also are provided, such as the fulfillment of prophecy therein, and in its perfect cohesiveness, and without error (including contradiction) in its words (John 10:35).

I think your question is based on a misunderstanding (of a few things, one of which is my position in regards the KJB).

I know that some like to cling to 'originals'-onlyism (not saying that is yourself), but even Jesus Himself when He walked this earth during His earthly ministry, didn't have one single "original" to quote from. He had copies of copies. Even the Ten Commandments themselves were a copy (Moses broke the first set, think about this, those stone tables were from God's own throne, and were not of this earth, they were sapphire stone from another world, 3rd Heaven), and that which we have written in the OT, and NT of those Ten Commandments are simply a copy from those.

So you are trusting in God, and what does that mean?


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Alofa Atu]

So you are trusting in God, and what does that mean?

It was connected in my previous response to John 3:16, and I will even connect it to Genesis 3:15; Galatians 3:16, and the following:

Mat_1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.​

JESUS is JEHOVAH is my (personal) Salvation., even as "Jesus JEHOVAH" is found in the OT texts also (Exodus 14:13; 2 Chronicles 20:17; Jonah 2:9; Psalms 119:174, &c).

Isa_56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
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In short, I (personally) trust in His salvation & redemption. By the life and demonstration of Jesus, shedding his blood and life, I have full confidence and trust in God's grace, mercy and justice, in that He always fulfills His word (promises), for His faith is always filled with the fruit of His good works - the everlasting tree of life.