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The SBC and Calvinism

David Lamb

David Lamb

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Michael Wrenn said:
I apologize for suddenly leaving the discussion; I had an emergency to attend to.

I ask for prayers for my 90-year-old mom tomorrow as she gets tested for two lumps her doctor found in her breast. She's had a rough year, as about this time last year she fell and broke two pelvic bones.

Now about Calvinism: For those who believe this, I really don't care if you do. Carry on, and I wish you peace.
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Praying for your mum/mom, Michael.
 
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Michael Wrenn

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Luke2427 said:
I appreciate your honesty.

What would upset you about that taking place?

And what denomination are you affiliated with right now? I ask this because, if I understood you correctly, you do not believe in eternal security and the vast majority of Southern Baptists do.

God bless!
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If that took place, I would feel more out of place in a SBC church that held to those positions.

Well, in the late eighties to mid-nineties I was a member of the Episcopal Church. My church membership now is in a small rural Baptist church, but I don't attend there -- am presently looking for something closer. Have been considering Baptist, Church of the Nazarene, or conservative Anglican. I just cannot seem to accept the Nazarane view of entire sanctification, even when defined in terms of love, as one of their professors and leading theologians has done. So, I'll most likely have to rule out the CotN.

I started this about 8-9 years ago: http://www.celtic-anabaptist-ministries.com/index.html

I've gotten some criticism here about that site. My views are basically a blend of Baptist/Anabaptist, and Celtic. I am mostly in the middle theologically, as I generally dislike extremes of the right or left. And one of my most cherished principles is freedom.

Hope this helps.
 
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Luke2427

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Michael Wrenn said:
If that took place, I would feel more out of place in a SBC church that held to those positions.

Well, in the late eighties to mid-nineties I was a member of the Episcopal Church. My church membership now is in a small rural Baptist church, but I don't attend there -- am presently looking for something closer. Have been considering Baptist, Church of the Nazarene, or conservative Anglican. I just cannot seem to accept the Nazarane view of entire sanctification, even when defined in terms of love, as one of their professors and leading theologians has done. So, I'll most likely have to rule out the CotN.

I started this about 8-9 years ago: http://www.celtic-anabaptist-ministries.com/index.html

I've gotten some criticism here about that site. My views are basically a blend of Baptist/Anabaptist, and Celtic. I am mostly in the middle theologically, as I generally dislike extremes of the right or left. And one of my most cherished principles is freedom.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks for sharing, Michael. I'll discuss this with you further at your convenience in the pm.

Blessings to you and yours is my prayer!

I hope things with your Mom go well!
 
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glfredrick

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Michael Wrenn said:
If that took place, I would feel more out of place in a SBC church that held to those positions.

Well, in the late eighties to mid-nineties I was a member of the Episcopal Church. My church membership now is in a small rural Baptist church, but I don't attend there -- am presently looking for something closer. Have been considering Baptist, Church of the Nazarene, or conservative Anglican. I just cannot seem to accept the Nazarane view of entire sanctification, even when defined in terms of love, as one of their professors and leading theologians has done. So, I'll most likely have to rule out the CotN.

I started this about 8-9 years ago: http://www.celtic-anabaptist-ministries.com/index.html

I've gotten some criticism here about that site. My views are basically a blend of Baptist/Anabaptist, and Celtic. I am mostly in the middle theologically, as I generally dislike extremes of the right or left. And one of my most cherished principles is freedom.

Hope this helps.
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Have you EVER been a member of an SBC congregation that held to the Doctrines of Grace? Just wondering by what means you ascertain that it would be such a horid experience, or that they might preach some gospel so far off the mainstream of the Bible that they are apostate or something akin?
 
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Michael Wrenn

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glfredrick said:
Have you EVER been a member of an SBC congregation that held to the Doctrines of Grace? Just wondering by what means you ascertain that it would be such a horid experience, or that they might preach some gospel so far off the mainstream of the Bible that they are apostate or something akin?
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The two SBC churches that I was a member of held to OSAS and total depravity, I believe. I don't know about the other "TULIP" doctrines.

I wouldn't call Calvinism apostate, just terribly and tragically mistaken. But I can still take the primitive Baptists better than some mainstream Baptists because the former allow for those who never heard of Jesus to be saved.
 
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glfredrick

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Michael Wrenn said:
The two SBC churches that I was a member of held to OSAS and total depravity, I believe. I don't know about the other "TULIP" doctrines.

I wouldn't call Calvinism apostate, just terribly and tragically mistaken. But I can still take the primitive Baptists better than some mainstream Baptists because the former allow for those who never heard of Jesus to be saved.
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So, you are actually searching for some form of universalism? Didn't I ask you about that before? Seems that I remember that you got all bent out of shape, and yet here you appear to reference that concept yet again.
 
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mandym

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glfredrick said:
So, you are actually searching for some form of universalism? Didn't I ask you about that before? Seems that I remember that you got all bent out of shape, and yet here you appear to reference that concept yet again.
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That is what it is to be sure.
 
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Michael Wrenn

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glfredrick said:
So, you are actually searching for some form of universalism? Didn't I ask you about that before? Seems that I remember that you got all bent out of shape, and yet here you appear to reference that concept yet again.
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No no, you don't have to be a universalist to believe that God made provision for those who never heard the Gospel.
 
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Michael Wrenn

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mandym said:
That is what it is to be sure.
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Wrong again. I must say I have to admit that I admire the the ability to be so consistently wrong.

Though there is a small strand of universlaism in the Primitive Baptists, for example -- the "no-hellers -- the vast majority are not universalists. And yet they believe that some who never heard the Gospel will be saved. Now I realize that's because of their hyper-Calvinism, but at least in that instance it does some good.
 
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Amy.G

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Michael Wrenn said:
Why don't you ask Him?

The Primitive Baptists would give one answer, the Wesleyans another, the Quakers another, and the Catholics yet another.
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I'm asking you since you made that statement that God saves people that haven't heard the gospel. Sorry, "made provision".
 
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Amy.G

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Michael Wrenn said:
I prefer the Quaker, "Arminian", or "Catholic" views.

I like what Romans Ch. 2 says.
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What specifically? And I don't have a clue what Quakers believe, or how Arminian and Catholic views prove that God has provided for salvation outside of the gospel.
 
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mandym

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Amy.G said:
What specifically? And I don't have a clue what Quakers believe, or how Arminian and Catholic views prove that God has provided for salvation outside of the gospel.
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If you like cat and mouse games then you may get to his point.
 
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glfredrick

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I believe our brother has once again painted himself into a corner.

Next will come the accusation that we are all horrid Calvinists and narrow-minded. If so, I agree... And, gladly.
 
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