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The SBC and Calvinism

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Tom Butler

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kyredneck said:
No, Ro 2:13-15 is talking about REGENERATED GENTILES. There's no 'moral code' in THE CONTEXT, it's THE LAW and these Gentiles are called DOERS OF THE LAW because they have THE LAW WRITTEN UPON THEIR HEARTS.
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Obviously, I see it differently. The Gentiles in question here have a moral code written on their hearts, but I don't think the passage can support that they are regenerated. Even though you are Primitive Baptist and I am not, we do agree that regeneration precedes salvation.

Nor do I see any mention of Jesus mentioned. He is the way, truth and life, and no one comes to the Father except through him.

I understand your view, and it is certainly consistent with PB doctrine. I just don't see where anyone is saved independently of the gospel.

Those gentiles will be judged on the basis of their obedience to their own moral code, in my view. And they will fail the test.
 
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Tom Butler

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I had to go back to Brother Wrenn's OP to see what this thread originally was all about. It has been so long ago that I had forgotten.

I think it is correct to say that Calvinism is growing among Southern Baptists. And, at one time, I thought that this would be the next big battle issue for the Convention. And although there are occasional potshots here and that, that battle has not yet materialized on a significant scale.

My own congregation is sort of a microcosm of the convention. We have a number of DoGs, including at least three deacons. On occasion the subject will come up in discussion, but so far it has not been a divisive issue.

In fact, we all get along quite nicely. Just like all those diverse churches in the SBC, who are wiling to cooperate for the sake of the gospel.
 
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Iconoclast

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Tom Butler said:
I had to go back to Brother Wrenn's OP to see what this thread originally was all about. It has been so long ago that I had forgotten.

I think it is correct to say that Calvinism is growing among Southern Baptists. And, at one time, I thought that this would be the next big battle issue for the Convention. And although there are occasional potshots here and that, that battle has not yet materialized on a significant scale.My own congregation is sort of a microcosm of the convention. We have a number of DoGs, including at least three deacons. On occasion the subject will come up in discussion, but so far it has not been a divisive issue.

In fact, we all get along quite nicely. Just like all those diverse churches in the SBC, who are wiling to cooperate for the sake of the gospel.
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Sadly there are many who do not know the bible well enough to even know what is at issue.
 
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TCGreek

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Michael Wrenn said:
How much has Calvinism infiltrated the SBC? I haven't been a regular attender at an SBC church for a long time, just an occasional visitor. But I'm thinking of returning on a regular basis. I still have membership in a SBC church, although I am also a member of the CBF, which only requires a $1 per year contribution from an individual to be a member! :)

Anyway, this veil of tears is gloomy enough without having that added to by a Calvinist assault every Sunday.
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It is what it is. Since you're so anti-Calvinist, you should avoid churches that are Calvinist.

In fact, you're militant in your dislike of Calvinism.

Calvinism is here to stay in the SBC. It's not going anyway.
 
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Michael Wrenn

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TCGreek said:
It is what it is. Since you're so anti-Calvinist, you should avoid churches that are Calvinist.

In fact, you're militant in your dislike of Calvinism.

Calvinism is here to stay in the SBC. It's not going anyway.
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I'm not so militant as to want to exclude Calvinists from my church. I would like to belong to a church that could include those with my beliefs and those with Calvinist beliefs.
 
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jonathan.borland

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I find that the common people are generally non-Calvinist, the educated Calvinist, and the super-intelligent non-Calvinist. Whatever one is, though, he needs to be able to explain biblical election, foreknowledge, and predestination in a systematic way that is not self-contradictory.
 
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TCGreek said:
It is what it is. Since you're so anti-Calvinist, you should avoid churches that are Calvinist.

In fact, you're militant in your dislike of Calvinism.

Calvinism is here to stay in the SBC. It's not going anyway.
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Well thats fine....but it should be moving up or out. I'm a fan of Al Mohler, so I pray he increases that charter.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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jonathan.borland said:
I find that the common people are generally non-Calvinist, the educated Calvinist, and the super-intelligent non-Calvinist. Whatever one is, though, he needs to be able to explain biblical election, foreknowledge, and predestination in a systematic way that is not self-contradictory.
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Now you are categorizing. Are there statistics you can share with us to substantiate your findings?
 
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glfredrick

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DaChaser1 said:
WHICh calvinism though?

the baptists as I who hold to DoG, but reject ALL of the CAL system
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reformed Baptists, who hold to ALL of its theology, minus infant baptism?
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I would be safe in saying that there are NO Baptists who endorse infant baptism. Even bringing this topic up in this light is sort of disingenuous and it ends up being an attack against the man instead of a point of doctrine.

The discussion is primarily one of soteriology. I cannot recall a single instance where Calvin's ecclesiology was discussed in some theology course as an example of Baptist polity. It was, of course, discussed as a matter of church (not Baptist -- two different courses) history.

And note that I graduated twice from Southern Seminary -- THE Baptist bastion of Reformed doctrinal instruction...
 
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DaChaser1

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glfredrick said:
I would be safe in saying that there are NO Baptists who endorse infant baptism. Even bringing this topic up in this light is sort of disingenuous and it ends up being an attack against the man instead of a point of doctrine.

The discussion is primarily one of soteriology. I cannot recall a single instance where Calvin's ecclesiology was discussed in some theology course as an example of Baptist polity. It was, of course, discussed as a matter of church (not Baptist -- two different courses) history.

And note that I graduated twice from Southern Seminary -- THE Baptist bastion of Reformed doctrinal instruction...
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We agree!

I was just referncing that reformed baptists hold to the entire cal theological system, minus the part of baptising babies!

Think MOST Baptists who are Cal fall under holding to DoG solely!
 
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TCGreek

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Michael Wrenn said:
I'm not so militant as to want to exclude Calvinists from my church. I would like to belong to a church that could include those with my beliefs and those with Calvinist beliefs.
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So I wondered about your "Calvinism assault every Sunday."

But glad to know I was wrong.
 
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