The SDA Cult

[Zog Has-fallen]

Even though she had wrong and erroneous theology, claimed to be from God directly?

I am very sympathetic with Sister White’s claim of receiving dreams and visions from God because her experiences and Christian witness seems genuine. Unquestionably though, and all Christians agree, the ultimate test is Scripture. As a means of comparison then, let’s test God’s command to Abraham to kill his only son Isaac (Genesis 22). The very first verse says this was a test but the account only makes sense if the test was real, not a sham exercise.

Sister White’s interpretation of the Millerite movement, in her own writings, is that God was testing the world. If God tested Abraham with a misleading revelation, and tested the inhabitants of city of Nineveh with a misleading pronouncement of doom, then why couldn’t God be testing Seventh-day Adventists through the provocative testimonies of Ellen G. White?

You probably hate this perspective but Seventh-day Adventists have to accept it. Ellen White wrote:

"I entreat you, brethren, be not like the Pharisees, who were blinded with spiritual pride, self-righteousness, and self-sufficiency, and who because of this were forsaken of God. For years I have been receiving instructions and warnings that this was the danger to our people." The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 166.

"We want to understand the time in which we live. We do not half understand it. We do not half take it in. My heart trembles in me when I think of what a foe we have to meet, and how poorly we are prepared to meet him. The trials of the children of Israel, and their attitude just before the first coming of Christ, have been presented before me again and again to illustrate the position of the people of God in their experience before the second coming of Christ—how the enemy sought every occasion to take control of the minds of the Jews, and today he is seeking to blind the minds of God's servants, that they may not be able to discern the precious truth." -- Ellen G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, p. 406.

"The remnant church is called to go through an experience similar to that of the Jews; and the True Witness, who walks up and down in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks, has a solemn message to bear to His people." -- Ellen G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, p. 387.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

How would you describe a cult?

I would describe a cult as- a group of people who reject obvious truths of the written word and formulate their own views by twisting obvious statements made by Christ . Who pick and choose of scripture what they please, not considering that the scriptures are Christ's banquet, not a buffet that you choose what you want. In order to be a true follower of Christ , one must eat what the Lord set before you, reject something and insult the Host.

Whether it be setting times and dates or rejecting any Dogma of the faith, all who do so can be considered a cult. Some may just be better at falsifying evidence and masking essential truths with elaborate interpretations.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Ellen White erred on her views regarding Sabbath, health, mark of the beast, prophecy, Sda being loyal Remnant Church, Investigative Judgment, etc!

Ellen White was right enough about the Sabbath to know that it's on the seventh-day of the week, not the first day. And Sister White's counsels on health were accurate enough to make Seventh-day Adventists a testament to the world concerning longevity and health. (Look up what Michael Greger, MD, a non-SDA, says about blue zones and Seventh-day Adventists). If we were to identify the bottom line on the true meaning of the mark of the beast, I believe that Sister White was exactly right:

'To receive the mark of the beast means to come to the same decision as the beast has done, and to advocate the same ideas, in direct opposition to the Word of God.' 7T 979.

So then, Baptists beware of the non-Biblical delusion that justifies horrific atrocities in God's name. Beware the Pro-Israel BDS (Be Dumb & Stupid) Legislation. The Zionist State of Israel is the image of the beast.

As for SDAs being the Remnant Church, which most SDAs insist on believing to the point of idolatry, please consider what God repeatedly told Sister White in my previous post.

What's my defense of Sister White's vision-based description of the Investigative Judgment? It's Christ's teaching on The Great, Final, Awesome Settling of Destiny.

 

[church mouse guy]

Ellen White was right enough about the Sabbath to know that it's on the seventh-day of the week, not the first day. And Sister White's counsels on health were accurate enough to make Seventh-day Adventists a testament to the world concerning longevity and health. (Look up what Michael Greger, MD, a non-SDA, says about blue zones and Seventh-day Adventists). If we were to identify the bottom line on the true meaning of the mark of the beast, I believe that Sister White was exactly right:

'To receive the mark of the beast means to come to the same decision as the beast has done, and to advocate the same ideas, in direct opposition to the Word of God.' 7T 979.

So then, Baptists beware of the non-Biblical delusion that justifies horrific atrocities in God's name. Beware the Pro-Israel BDS (Be Dumb & Stupid) Legislation. The Zionist State of Israel is the image of the beast.

As for SDAs being the Remnant Church, which most SDAs insist on believing to the point of idolatry, please consider what God repeatedly told Sister White in my previous post.

What's my defense of Sister White's vision-based description of the Investigative Judgment? It's Christ's teaching on The Great, Final, Awesome Settling of Destiny.

Other Christians don't observe the sabbath but Sunday because that is the day that Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[Danthemailman]

Brother Anderson was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years and was taught the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days. To his utter astonishment and amazement, when he began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books, he made the shocking discovery that SDA truth is different from Biblical truth. He found that some SDA teachings are not based upon Scripture at all but upon tradition, conjecture of the early pioneers, and statements made by the prophetess Ellen White. - The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church

Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. - Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Other Christians don't observe the sabbath but Sunday because that is the day that Jesus rose from the dead.

Here is what I believe:

'To receive the mark of the beast means to come to the same decision as the beast has done, and to advocate the same ideas, in direct opposition to the Word of God.' 7T 979.

And those other Christians are on the same side with the pope in advocating Zionist propaganda.

 

[Danthemailman]

I was recently in a discussion with a SDA who perverts the gospel by teaching that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Here is what he said to me below in blue:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

I tried to explain to him that the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) and to "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

He said that he believes what I stated is merely the "foundation" of the gospel then went on to say that the gospel is ALL the word of God. He went on to say that the gospel "is" every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Talk about confused!

According to his logic, everything written about death, destruction, suffering, condemnation etc.. (which is found in God's Word) is "good news."

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

I was recently in a discussion with a SDA who perverts the gospel by teaching that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works."

I'm not inclined to accept sound bites above well-developed theologies. Thus, I prefer The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Millerites, Circa 2019. Note that James 2:14-26 is quoted there but that detail is not the gospel. It's just a valid statement on faith plus works in a quality faith-filled life.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Brother Anderson was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years and was taught the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days.

Then I have him beat. I counted myself as a SDA for 50 years. Then God intervened and brought me out of that organization through a revelation. And I was never deceived by the "remnant church" designation. The Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God but they wasted their opportunity in the same way that Seventh-day Adventists are wasting theirs. So just because the SDA church was initially entrusted with the "truth" for the last days, which is Revelation 14:6-12, it doesn't mean that they paid careful attention to it.

 

[Danthemailman]

Then I have him beat. I counted myself as a SDA for 50 years. Then God intervened and brought me out of that organization through a revelation. And I was never deceived by the "remnant church" designation. The Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God but they wasted their opportunity in the same way that Seventh-day Adventists are wasting theirs. So just because the SDA church was initially entrusted with the "truth" for the last days, which is Revelation 14:6-12, it doesn't mean that they paid careful attention to it.

Praise the Lord that God intervened and brought you out of that organization!

 

[Danthemailman]

I'm not inclined to accept sound bites above well-developed theologies. Thus, I prefer The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Millerites, Circa 2019. Note that James 2:14-26 is quoted there but that detail is not the gospel. It's just a valid statement on faith plus works in a quality faith-filled life.

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-26).

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-26). *Perfect Harmony*

 

[church mouse guy]

Here is what I believe:

'To receive the mark of the beast means to come to the same decision as the beast has done, and to advocate the same ideas, in direct opposition to the Word of God.' 7T 979.

And those other Christians are on the same side with the pope in advocating Zionist propaganda.

Not really. They are on the same side as the New Testament Christians.

Mark 16:9 (KJV) Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

 

[37818]

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-26).

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-26). *Perfect Harmony*

Two things to note though. The works of Abraham is said to have been justified by came years latter (Genesis 22:2). And the Apostle makes the point that the purpose of our salvation is to do good works (Ephesians 2:10).

 

[Danthemailman]

Two things to note though. The works of Abraham is said to have been justified by came years latter (Genesis 22:2). And the Apostle makes the point that the purpose of our salvation is to do good works (Ephesians 2:10).

Yes, in James 2:21, we notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was "shown to be righteous."

We are saved “FOR” good works and not by good works. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

They are on the same side as the New Testament Christians.

Mark 16:9 (KJV) Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

The mistaken belief that every first day of every week is a holy day because Jesus Christ was resurrected on the first day of the week, is simply not Biblical. What is far more certain is that Sunday sacredness originated with paganized Christianity via the Sun-worshiping Sunday-law creator, Emperor Constantine, the first "Christian" representative of the Sun God.

What the New Testament teaches about sacred days is indisputably clear: We are free to regard every day alike or accept the position of the Judaizers, that some days are more sacred than others. The only controversy recorded about sacred days in the New Testament was about Jewish days, not pagan days.

Romans 14:1-5
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

Galatians 4:8-11
But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

More disastrous than the sacralization of pagan holidays that Christians continue to excuse is the sin of ambivalence regarding the unquestionably deceived majority of "Christian Zionists" that idolize the indisputably evil apartheid State of Israel.

 

[church mouse guy]

The mistaken belief that every first day of every week is a holy day because Jesus Christ was resurrected on the first day of the week, is simply not Biblical. What is far more certain is that Sunday sacredness originated with paganized Christianity via the Sun-worshiping Sunday-law creator, Emperor Constantine, the first "Christian" representative of the Sun God.

What the New Testament teaches about sacred days is indisputably clear: We are free to regard every day alike or accept the position of the Judaizers, that some days are more sacred than others. The only controversy recorded about sacred days in the New Testament was about Jewish days, not pagan days.

Romans 14:1-5
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

Galatians 4:8-11
But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

More disastrous than the sacralization of pagan holidays that Christians continue to excuse is the sin of ambivalence regarding the unquestionably deceived majority of "Christian Zionists" that idolize the indisputably evil apartheid State of Israel.

Christians have always met on Sundays because the Lord rose on the first day of the week. Acts 20:7 (KJV) And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

What do you mean when you call Israel "apartheid"?

 

[HankD]

Jesus Christ is the Sabbath You can keep it 24/7.

Hebrews 4
9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.

Matthew 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

What do you mean when you call Israel "apartheid"?

The Palestinians are literally a caged civilian population that live in open-air prisons under a brutal military occupation.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Christians have always met on Sundays because the Lord rose on the first day of the week. Acts 20:7 (KJV) And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

What makes you believe that the first Christians didn't meet for the breaking of bread every day?

Acts 2:42-47
And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. …

So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

Also, what makes you believe that Acts 20:7 isn't a reference to Saturday evening, which is the first day of the week in Jewish reckoning?

Acts 20:7
Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Also, what makes you believe that Acts 20:7 isn't a reference to Saturday evening, which is the first day of the week in Jewish reckoning?

This is a respectable belief:

Good News Translation
On Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. Paul spoke to the people and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day.