The SDA Cult

[church mouse guy]

This is a respectable belief:

Good News Translation
On Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. Paul spoke to the people and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day.

Well, if it is Saturday evening and that is Sunday by Jewish reckoning, then it would be Sunday by your own logic.

The Palestinians are literally a caged civilian population that live in open-air prisons under a brutal military occupation.

Who is occupying Gaza? Do you mean Hamas or Hezbollah?

 

[Yeshua1]

I am very sympathetic with Sister White’s claim of receiving dreams and visions from God because her experiences and Christian witness seems genuine. Unquestionably though, and all Christians agree, the ultimate test is Scripture. As a means of comparison then, let’s test God’s command to Abraham to kill his only son Isaac (Genesis 22). The very first verse says this was a test but the account only makes sense if the test was real, not a sham exercise.

Sister White’s interpretation of the Millerite movement, in her own writings, is that God was testing the world. If God tested Abraham with a misleading revelation, and tested the inhabitants of city of Nineveh with a misleading pronouncement of doom, then why couldn’t God be testing Seventh-day Adventists through the provocative testimonies of Ellen G. White?

You probably hate this perspective but Seventh-day Adventists have to accept it. Ellen White wrote:

"I entreat you, brethren, be not like the Pharisees, who were blinded with spiritual pride, self-righteousness, and self-sufficiency, and who because of this were forsaken of God. For years I have been receiving instructions and warnings that this was the danger to our people." The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 166.

"We want to understand the time in which we live. We do not half understand it. We do not half take it in. My heart trembles in me when I think of what a foe we have to meet, and how poorly we are prepared to meet him. The trials of the children of Israel, and their attitude just before the first coming of Christ, have been presented before me again and again to illustrate the position of the people of God in their experience before the second coming of Christ—how the enemy sought every occasion to take control of the minds of the Jews, and today he is seeking to blind the minds of God's servants, that they may not be able to discern the precious truth." -- Ellen G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, p. 406.

"The remnant church is called to go through an experience similar to that of the Jews; and the True Witness, who walks up and down in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks, has a solemn message to bear to His people." -- Ellen G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, p. 387.

She totally misunderstood the law and Gospel, misunderstood the Sabbath and our relationship to it, was trying to still stay in aspects under Old Covenant, but new one totally rendered old one obsolete and void to us now!
She also misunderstood how to interpret prophecy, as she tried to get her Sda into it!

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm not inclined to accept sound bites above well-developed theologies. Thus, I prefer The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Millerites, Circa 2019. Note that James 2:14-26 is quoted there but that detail is not the gospel. It's just a valid statement on faith plus works in a quality faith-filled life.

The Sda places the teachings of EW on same plane as the Apostle themselves, and she did indeed mix the Law of God with the Grace of the Gospel, and her end result was a church based upon her as its rock, faulty theology, and not the true remnant church, as teaching another Gospel!

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Well, if it is Saturday evening and that is Sunday by Jewish reckoning, then it would be Sunday by your own logic.

I confess. I believe that the Good News Translation of Acts 20:7 is exactly right:

On Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. Paul spoke to the people and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day.

I only wish to point out that the text doesn’t say that Sunday school began at 9:30AM and that the sermon started promptly at 11 AM and continued on for 13 hours until Midnight.

Who is occupying Gaza? Do you mean Hamas or Hezbollah?

I can only suppose that I’m not permitted to answer because you not knowing who is the brutal military occupier of Gaza (The world’s largest open-air prison) forces me to imagine that what I perceive to be truth isn’t even allowed to be shared on this forum.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

She totally misunderstood the law and Gospel, misunderstood the Sabbath and our relationship to it, was trying to still stay in aspects under Old Covenant, but new one totally rendered old one obsolete and void to us now!

Here is my favorite Ellen G. White insight about the Seventh-day Sabbath, which shows that her understanding of the law and the gospel greatly surpasses that of all Zionists:

We need the clear light of the Sun of Righteousness to shine upon us. This light is given to those who keep holy the Lord's Sabbath: but we can not keep this day holy unless we serve the Lord in the manner brought to view in the scripture: "Is not this the fast that I have chosen, to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free; and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him? and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?" This is the work that rests upon every soul who accepts the service of Christ. -- Ellen G. White, GCB, May 31, 1909 par. 5.

 

[church mouse guy]

I confess. I believe that the Good News Translation of Acts 20:7 is exactly right:

On Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. Paul spoke to the people and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day.

I only wish to point out that the text doesn’t say that Sunday school began at 9:30AM and that the sermon started promptly at 11 AM and continued on for 13 hours until Midnight.


I can only suppose that I’m not permitted to answer because you not knowing who is the brutal military occupier of Gaza (The world’s largest open-air prison) forces me to imagine that what I perceive to be truth isn’t even allowed to be shared on this forum.

Gaza is not part of Israel.

 

[Danthemailman]

Jesus Christ is the Sabbath You can keep it 24/7.

Hebrews 4
9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.

Matthew 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest (sabbatismos) for the people of God. (NASB) *Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that SDA's would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary:

KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Gaza is not part of Israel.

Possession is 9/10 of the law.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

No one has said what is cultic about the SDA. I do not see that they have any essential beliefs that are not the same as any other Christian denomination.

https://www.adventist.org/fileadmin...rticles/official-statements/28Beliefs-Web.pdf

These are the greatest and most fundamental errors of Seventh-day Adventists:

1. Seventh-day Adventists don't care about the rights of victims, justice or free speech, unless Satan's unrestrained power of evil impacts their own personal right to keep the Sabbath.

2. Seventh-day Adventists are fanatically obsessed with their belief about their own suffering in the future and don’t care about how their indifference contributes to the suffering of others now.

3. Their souls delight in their abominations.

 

[Yeshua1]

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest (sabbatismos) for the people of God. (NASB) *Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that SDA's would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary:

KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it.

The point of the author of Hebrews was that national Israel observed the Sabbath Day fest, but spiritual Israel now under the NC enjoys a perpetual spiritual rest in Jesus Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

These are the greatest and most fundamental errors of Seventh-day Adventists:

1. Seventh-day Adventists don't care about the rights of victims, justice or free speech, unless Satan's unrestrained power of evil impacts their own personal right to keep the Sabbath.

2. Seventh-day Adventists are fanatically obsessed with their belief about their own suffering in the future and don’t care about how their indifference contributes to the suffering of others now.

3. Their souls delight in their abominations.

Sda mix Grace and the Law, so do see law keeping as still a requirement in order to get and kept saved!

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Sda mix Grace and the Law, so do see law keeping as still a requirement in order to get and kept saved!

I recognize your disapproval of James 2:14-26 and look forward to reading your critique. To me, it's just a valid statement on faith plus works in a quality faith-filled life.

 

[Yeshua1]

I recognize your disapproval of James 2:14-26 and look forward to reading your critique. To me, it's just a valid statement on faith plus works in a quality faith-filled life.

James would be stating that Christians should have good works to evidence their claim to now be saved, but EW makes Sabbath keeping mandatory in order to be saved!

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

James would be stating that Christians should have good works to evidence their claim to now be saved, but EW makes Sabbath keeping mandatory in order to be saved!

Please post a quote where EGW says that Sabbath keeping is mandatory for salvation.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please post a quote where EGW says that Sabbath keeping is mandatory for salvation.

She stated that the mark of the beast would be Sunday worship, correct?

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

She stated that the mark of the beast would be Sunday worship, correct?

The beast with lamb-like horns speaks with the voice of a dragon, and "exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him." The spirit of persecution manifested by paganism and the papacy is again to be revealed. Prophecy declares that this power will say "to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast." [Revelation 13:14.] The image is made to the first or leopard-like beast, which is the one brought to view in the third angel's message. By this first beast is represented the Roman Church, an ecclesiastical body clothed with civil power, having authority to punish all dissenters. The image to the beast represents another religious body clothed with similar power. The formation of this image is the work of that beast whose peaceful rise and mild professions render it so striking a symbol of the United States. Here is to be found an image of the papacy. When the churches of our land, uniting upon such points of faith as are held by them in common, shall influence the State to enforce their decrees and sustain their institutions, then will Protestant America have formed an image of the Roman hierarchy. Then the true church will be assailed by persecution, as were God's ancient people. Almost every century furnishes examples of what bigotry and malice can do under a plea of serving God by protecting the rights of Church and State. Protestant churches that have followed in the steps of Rome by forming alliance with worldly powers have manifested a similar desire to restrict liberty of conscience. In the seventeenth century thousands of non-conformist ministers suffered under the rule of the Church of England. Persecution always follows religious favoritism on the part of secular governments. {4SP 277.2}

The image of the beast, which is Christian Zion and AIPAC, speaking for the Zionist State of Israel, has already decided that the mark of the beast is Pro-Israel BDS (Be Dumb & Stupid) Legislation.

 

[church mouse guy]

Possession is 9/10 of the law.

What do you mean? Gaza is not owned by Israel and is not occupied by Israel. They voted in Gaza and elected a terrorist government. Gaza is a figment of Europe and the UN and Trump is moving to withdraw American aid to them. Gaza is unstainable without foreign aid and I think that if the Arabs want other Arabs to live in Gaza, then the Arabs should foot the bill for it.

 

[Yeshua1]

The beast with lamb-like horns speaks with the voice of a dragon, and "exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him." The spirit of persecution manifested by paganism and the papacy is again to be revealed. Prophecy declares that this power will say "to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast." [Revelation 13:14.] The image is made to the first or leopard-like beast, which is the one brought to view in the third angel's message. By this first beast is represented the Roman Church, an ecclesiastical body clothed with civil power, having authority to punish all dissenters. The image to the beast represents another religious body clothed with similar power. The formation of this image is the work of that beast whose peaceful rise and mild professions render it so striking a symbol of the United States. Here is to be found an image of the papacy. When the churches of our land, uniting upon such points of faith as are held by them in common, shall influence the State to enforce their decrees and sustain their institutions, then will Protestant America have formed an image of the Roman hierarchy. Then the true church will be assailed by persecution, as were God's ancient people. Almost every century furnishes examples of what bigotry and malice can do under a plea of serving God by protecting the rights of Church and State. Protestant churches that have followed in the steps of Rome by forming alliance with worldly powers have manifested a similar desire to restrict liberty of conscience. In the seventeenth century thousands of non-conformist ministers suffered under the rule of the Church of England. Persecution always follows religious favoritism on the part of secular governments. {4SP 277.2}

The image of the beast, which is Christian Zion and AIPAC, speaking for the Zionist State of Israel, has already decided that the mark of the beast is Pro-Israel BDS (Be Dumb & Stupid) Legislation.

NONE of what EW postulated here has any biblical support!

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Gaza is a figment of Europe

Don't tell me. First communicate with Jewish scholars like Dr. Norman Finkelstein, Christian scholars like Stephen Sizer,[URL='http://stephensizer.com/'] [/URL]and other eyewitnesses like The Norwegian Refugee Council and then let me know how they replied to your statements.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Correction: The image of the beast, which is Christian Zionism and AIPAC, speaking for the Zionist State of Israel, has already decided that the mark of the beast is Pro-Israel BDS (Be Dumb & Stupid) Legislation.