The second civil war is coming?

[Use of Time]

Are you capable of reading your statement I was responding to? You made a false claim. I corrected it. Go back and read with understanding, not so you can make another vacuous response.

Rabble rousing could mean anything. Anything anti-Trump could be considered a factor in leading to a shooting if one wants to make it out as such. We all know the media will happily play along. Or a crazy guy did a crazy thing which is the obvious cause here. He isn't the only one and won't be the last. I think we'll be okay. Is it crazy to think we are better than that as a nation? President's will always have wacko's making violent statements about them.

I swear I think people are actively rooting for civil war. It is bizarre.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Well, the first Civil War ruined our nation. Hopefully the second would cure it.
(I am not talking about slavery so the bleeding liberals can not waste their time going there)

So only the bleeding liberals are against slavery>

 

[Reynolds]

So only the bleeding liberals are against slavery>

Nope, only the bleeding liberals are dishonest enough to reduce the war to a single issue.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Nope, only the bleeding liberals are dishonest enough to reduce the war to a single issue.

So slavery was one of the primary causes of the Civil War. BTW, I consider myself to be a Southerner but don't support slavery. My mother was a member of the UDC.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So slavery was one of the primary causes of the Civil War. BTW, I consider myself to be a Southerner but don't support slavery. My mother was a member of the UDC.

Slaver was one of a number of reasons. There were big fights in Congress over new states being slave or non-slave.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Nope, only the bleeding liberals are dishonest enough to reduce the war to a single issue.

I do not disagree with your premise on there being more than one cause of the war. I expect there are some conservatives who also reduce the causes to one. Your including the insult only weakens your argument.

What other reasons do you believe brought about the war?

 

[Reynolds]

So slavery was one of the primary causes of the Civil War. BTW, I consider myself to be a Southerner but don't support slavery. My mother was a member of the UDC.

I am a Southerener. I am a member of SCV. I don't support slavery. Your point?

 

[agedman]

The war of northern aggression will again be fought because the Yankee aggressors demand control of the money.

The aggressors fought over the control of money in the 1800's and who would benefit from profit.

If the Yankees were so concerned about slavery, the Yankee controlled congress of that day would not have passed the "fugitive slave" law(s).

 

[Crabtownboy]

I am a Southerener. I am a member of. SCV. I don't support slavery. Your point?

Just curious, did you have any ancestors in the war? [The Revolutionary War also.]

I did.

 

[agedman]

Mine, too.

 

[Reynolds]

Just curious, did you have any ancestors in the war? [The Revolutionary War also.]

I did.

I had ancestors in both wars.
I had both Cherokee and white ancestors in The War Between The States. To be in the SCV, you have to have a documentable ancestor. My 4th great granddad was my avatars right hand man. Any student of the War will recognize my avatar.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I had ancestors in both wars.
I had both Cherokee and white ancestors in The War Between The States. To be in the SCV, you have to have a documentable ancestor. My 4th great granddad was my avatars right hand man. Any student of the War will recognize my avatar.

Yeah, I recognize him.

 

[TCassidy]

So slavery was one of the primary causes of the Civil War.

Probably not higher than tertiary. And then only as it contributed to the primary and secondary causes.

1. Power. The Control of both houses of Congress by the Northern Senators and Representatives. (The actual cause of the Three-Fifths Compromise.)

2. Money (which can buy power - see #1 above). The North was industrial, the South was agrarian. The North wanted the South to sell its cotton to the mills located in the North and to buy manufactured equipment from the factories located in the North. But the South found a better deal with France buying their cotton at higher prices and selling manufactured goods to the South at lower prices. Congress, controlled by the North, then passed export tariffs making the cotton too expensive for France to buy, and import tariffs on manufactured goods making the machinery too expensive for the South to buy, forcing them to sell their cotton to the North at reduced prices and buy manufactured goods from the North at greater expense.

3. Slavery was only a tertiary contributor in that the 3/5 compromise was preventing the South from having full representation in Congress so many of the slaves in the South were being freed (resulting in a 5/5 census), and the rest would be freed gradually until slavery would be a thing of the past by the 1880s. That would allow the South to overturn the tariffs and resume their commerce with France.

The primary and secondary causes of the Civil War were power and money. Which is, of course, the cause of all wars. Power and Money.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Rabble rousing could mean anything. Anything anti-Trump could be considered a factor in leading to a shooting if one wants to make it out as such. We all know the media will happily play along. Or a crazy guy did a crazy thing which is the obvious cause here. He isn't the only one and won't be the last. I think we'll be okay. Is it crazy to think we are better than that as a nation? President's will always have wacko's making violent statements about them.

I swear I think people are actively rooting for civil war. It is bizarre.

Bingo

 

[FollowTheWay]

I am a Southerener. I am a member of SCV. I don't support slavery. Your point?

Different lovers of southern culture took away different learning from the bloodiest war in U.S. history. I respect my ancestors for defending their land and culture but do not support the institution of slavery.

Bingo

I'm afraid we're headed for a revolution in America. The basic cause is inequality of wealth, justice and power.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Probably not higher than tertiary. And then only as it contributed to the primary and secondary causes.

1. Power. The Control of both houses of Congress by the Northern Senators and Representatives. (The actual cause of the Three-Fifths Compromise.)

2. Money (which can buy power - see #1 above). The North was industrial, the South was agrarian. The North wanted the South to sell its cotton to the mills located in the North and to buy manufactured equipment from the factories located in the North. But the South found a better deal with France buying their cotton at higher prices and selling manufactured goods to the South at lower prices. Congress, controlled by the North, then passed export tariffs making the cotton too expensive for France to buy, and import tariffs on manufactured goods making the machinery too expensive for the South to buy, forcing them to sell their cotton to the North at reduced prices and buy manufactured goods from the North at greater expense.

3. Slavery was only a tertiary contributor in that the 3/5 compromise was preventing the South from having full representation in Congress so many of the slaves in the South were being freed (resulting in a 5/5 census), and the rest would be freed gradually until slavery would be a thing of the past by the 1880s. That would allow the South to overturn the tariffs and resume their commerce with France.

The primary and secondary causes of the Civil War were power and money. Which is, of course, the cause of all wars. Power and Money.

We can agree to disagree. Look at the argument in Congress on Lincoln's proposal for emancipation and the way blacks were treated in the deep south. BTW, I used to say that the most raciest place I'd ever seen (50's and early 60's) was Chicago but I had never been to the real deep south (Ala. below Montgomery, S. GA, LA, etc.)

 

[FollowTheWay]

Just curious, did you have any ancestors in the war? [The Revolutionary War also.]

I did.

I am originally from KY which of course was a border state. I had ancestors who fought and died on both sides. Also many in the Revolutionary War. My mother was a member of the UDC and the DAR. I wish I had joined the SAR while she was still alive but should join now. I have a LOT mor support than she had because I've done a lot of ancestry research.

 

[Reynolds]

Different lovers of southern culture took away different learning from the bloodiest war in U.S. history. I respect my ancestors for defending their land and culture but do not support the institution of slavery.

Most of the Confederate soldiers did not support the institution of slavery. Most of the Union army did not oppose the institution of slavery. Those points are lost in modern history books. Ok,cool almost lost his army after he issued the emancipation proclamation.

 

[TCassidy]

We can agree to disagree. Look at the argument in Congress on Lincoln's proposal for emancipation and the way blacks were treated in the deep south. BTW, I used to say that the most raciest place I'd ever seen (50's and early 60's) was Chicago but I had never been to the real deep south (Ala. below Montgomery, S. GA, LA, etc.)

Research the New York City draft riots which took place in 1863, two years after the start of the Civil War. The draftees refused to be drafted to fight a war that only lined the pockets of the northern industrialists. It was not until after the riots that Lincoln changed the narrative to "oh, it's all about slavery, not making the industrialists even richer."

By the way, the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the states that were in rebellion. It left the 500,000 slaves in the slave-holding border states (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland or Delaware) which were Union states, still bound in slavery. By the way, check the date on the Emancipation Proclamation. January 1, 1863. It was an attempt to head off the pending Draft Riots of July 1863. Even a backwoods hick like Lincoln could see them coming.

 

[Reynolds]

Research the New York City draft riots which took place in 1863, two years after the start of the Civil War. The draftees refused to be drafted to fight a war that only lined the pockets of the northern industrialists. It was not until after the riots that Lincoln changed the narrative to "oh, it's all about slavery, not making the industrialists even richer."

By the way, the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the states that were in rebellion. It left the 500,000 slaves in the slave-holding border states (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland or Delaware) which were Union states, still bound in slavery. By the way, check the date on the Emancipation Proclamation. January 1, 1863. It was an attempt to head off the pending Draft Riots of July 1863. Even a backwoods hick like Lincoln could see them coming.

And after he issued the emancipation proclamation he had to in essence conscript his already standing volunteer army to keep them from going home. The battle cry within the ranks was "we are not fighting to free niggers." They had enlisted to "preserve the Union."