BobRyan
Well-Known Member
Ray -
I don't mean to argue that if a Christian sins after being saved that they are instantly lost. I mean to say that if a Christian chooses a life of rebellion as in the case of the examples given in 1Cor 6 - then they do not go to heaven even though they were at one time saved, cleansed washed.
Rather as Matt 18 points out - their forgiveness is revoked and they owe all the debt that had been initial forgiven for them.
(Recall that I am not the author of Matt 18 or 1Cor 6 so I am simply reporting the news not making it).
Clearly Paul is “speaking to the shame of the Christians in Corinth”. He accuses them of defrauding the saints – defrauding each other. He claims they are not wise enough – mature enough – righteous enough to settle their own disputes. The focus of Paul’s argument is FAR from “Have no worries, trouble not your heart – there is nothing here to really worry about”.
The entire focus of this chapter is to “get their attention” warn them of danger. Judge them as being in error and demand that they return to a right course of action.
This point is incredibly obvious. It is the context, purpose, focus for the chapter and the following warning Paul gives – is given to demonstrate” the severity of the problem. He is not “changing subjects” or coming up with a “comforting thought”.
Then Paul gets to an even more dangerous warning “do not be deceived”. He claims that they are either deceiving themselves or being deceived by someone else into thinking that they CAN engage in such acts of rebellion and STILL inherit eternal life. Indeed many today fall into that same trap – arguing that WHILE engaged in that life they are STILL going to inherit eternal life “anyway”. As if God is trapped in some kind of lock-box and can not apply to THEM – that which HE says is applicable to ALL. But Paul tells THEM not to be deceived on this very point. The very point they ARE deceiving themselves into thinking!
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Paul fully uncovers the high level of severity in that shocking condemnation by warning the church that those who practice these things “will not inherit the kingdom of heaven”. His statement is not claiming that they are already going to hell – rather he is warning them that the course they are pursuing is getting them to this same point. He is urging that they cease. He points out that to continue is to fail of our inheritance!
This is the same format that we find ALL of Paul’s warnings about failure to persevere.
He encourages them to follow their salvation heritage – as they were washed, set apart, justified and reconciled to Christ – so they should turn from this great evil and go back to the path Christ sete before them (Created unto good works that God purposed before hand that you should walk in them”. He leaves them no room to answer back “we don’t have to worry about that – even if we do fall into those sins WE won’t lose OUR inheritance so be quiet”
In Christ,
Bob
I don't mean to argue that if a Christian sins after being saved that they are instantly lost. I mean to say that if a Christian chooses a life of rebellion as in the case of the examples given in 1Cor 6 - then they do not go to heaven even though they were at one time saved, cleansed washed.
Rather as Matt 18 points out - their forgiveness is revoked and they owe all the debt that had been initial forgiven for them.
(Recall that I am not the author of Matt 18 or 1Cor 6 so I am simply reporting the news not making it).
Here we have found a harsh, critical severe condemnation of the church. No escaping it. No editing it. No denying it. This point can not be refuted.
Clearly Paul is “speaking to the shame of the Christians in Corinth”. He accuses them of defrauding the saints – defrauding each other. He claims they are not wise enough – mature enough – righteous enough to settle their own disputes. The focus of Paul’s argument is FAR from “Have no worries, trouble not your heart – there is nothing here to really worry about”.
The entire focus of this chapter is to “get their attention” warn them of danger. Judge them as being in error and demand that they return to a right course of action.
This point is incredibly obvious. It is the context, purpose, focus for the chapter and the following warning Paul gives – is given to demonstrate” the severity of the problem. He is not “changing subjects” or coming up with a “comforting thought”.
Paul appeals to the fact that a life of rebellion does NOT result in the inheritance of eternal life! This is the way he chooses to highlight his point about their needing to repent of the sin he has just charged them with.
Then Paul gets to an even more dangerous warning “do not be deceived”. He claims that they are either deceiving themselves or being deceived by someone else into thinking that they CAN engage in such acts of rebellion and STILL inherit eternal life. Indeed many today fall into that same trap – arguing that WHILE engaged in that life they are STILL going to inherit eternal life “anyway”. As if God is trapped in some kind of lock-box and can not apply to THEM – that which HE says is applicable to ALL. But Paul tells THEM not to be deceived on this very point. The very point they ARE deceiving themselves into thinking!
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Paul fully uncovers the high level of severity in that shocking condemnation by warning the church that those who practice these things “will not inherit the kingdom of heaven”. His statement is not claiming that they are already going to hell – rather he is warning them that the course they are pursuing is getting them to this same point. He is urging that they cease. He points out that to continue is to fail of our inheritance!
This is the same format that we find ALL of Paul’s warnings about failure to persevere.
He encourages them to follow their salvation heritage – as they were washed, set apart, justified and reconciled to Christ – so they should turn from this great evil and go back to the path Christ sete before them (Created unto good works that God purposed before hand that you should walk in them”. He leaves them no room to answer back “we don’t have to worry about that – even if we do fall into those sins WE won’t lose OUR inheritance so be quiet”
In Christ,
Bob
NE, could be saved.