The Secret Rapture return of Christ approaches

[evangelist6589]

Lately there have been several earthquakes, changing weather patterns globally, and other signs to indicate the pregnant woman is about to give birth. I know that Arminian and modified Calvinists agree with this. Yes one author I was reading was talking about the different types of Calvinist and would describe me as modified due to my Dispensationalism.

Truth be told I do not know when He will return but it is possible I will never get a chance to pay off my debts and that is why all attempts of finding a better paying position have failed. But if He were to return in a month what do you want him to find you doing?

Some of you think that music and Bible translations is such a hill to die on but jesus does not agree. I'd say the same of the CAL VS Armin debate. A recently departed poster tried to say that Calvinism is another gospel so hence that is not the right attitude to have about other brethren.

I'd say you spend all your time serving The Lord and being out witnessing. Pass out as many tracts as possible, do open air preaching if you can, and talk to as many lost people as possible. Yes meeting their spiritual needs and preaching REPENTANCE is more important than meeting their physical needs.

Hurry Christ may return within the month!!!!

 

[InTheLight]

Hurry Christ may return within the month!!!!

What's the hurry? According to Calvinism God has chosen who will be the elect since before the creation of the world. They will be saved no matter what you or I do and according to God's timetable.

 

[beameup]

Christ is already "ruling" his "Kingdom" from heaven, so why should he return to earth (according to Catholic Theology)?

 

[OldRegular]

Lately there have been several earthquakes, changing weather patterns globally, and other signs to indicate the pregnant woman is about to give birth. I know that Arminian and modified Calvinists agree with this. Yes one author I was reading was talking about the different types of Calvinist and would describe me as modified due to my Dispensationalism.

Truth be told I do not know when He will return but it is possible I will never get a chance to pay off my debts and that is why all attempts of finding a better paying position have failed. But if He were to return in a month what do you want him to find you doing?

Some of you think that music and Bible translations is such a hill to die on but jesus does not agree. I'd say the same of the CAL VS Armin debate. A recently departed poster tried to say that Calvinism is another gospel so hence that is not the right attitude to have about other brethren.

I'd say you spend all your time serving The Lord and being out witnessing. Pass out as many tracts as possible, do open air preaching if you can, and talk to as many lost people as possible. Yes meeting their spiritual needs and preaching REPENTANCE is more important than meeting their physical needs.

Hurry Christ may return within the month!!!!

Well it is closer than when HE ascended about 2000 years ago and closer than when Darby fell often his horse and had an epiphany; but it will not be secret and it will not be silent:

1st Thessalonians 4:16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Matthew 24:30, 31
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1st Corinthians 15:51-57
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelations 6:12-17
12. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17. For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Revelation 11:15-19
15. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17. Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 19:11-21
11. And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18. That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

When Jesus Christ returns every person who ever lived will know it! Notice the sound of the trumpet. GOD tells us through the Apostles John and Paul that it will be the seventh and last trumpet.

 

[Tom Butler]

Matthew 24:6

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for it is necessary that all these things must take place; but the end is not yet.

I, too, wonder, if all these events going on around the world have eschatalogical significance. But I suppose it depends on whether one is dispy or nor.

 

[DHK]

Matthew 24:6


I, too, wonder, if all these events going on around the world have eschatalogical significance. But I suppose it depends on whether one is dispy or nor.

You mean events like these:

Just in the past few days:
A strong earthquake that rocked Northern California's scenic Napa wine country early Sunday injured more than 100 people, sent brick and concrete tumbling from historic buildings and triggered fires and power outages.
Officials said at least 15 buildings were left uninhabitable, and many more awaited further evaluation. State transportation officials inspected highways and bridges and declared them safe for travel.

At the same time,
A 6.9 magnitude earthquake struck Peru Sunday evening, making it the third major earthquake to hit the west coast of the Americas in less than 24 hours
On Saturday evening, just a few hours before the early morning California quake, a 6.4 magnitude earthquake struck about 73 miles north of Santiago, Chile, in the port city of Valparaiso.

Also on Saturday, after hundreds of small earthquakes two larger ones were felt in Iceland, causing one of the major volcanoes there to show signs of erupting. Though some ashes could be seen, after some time the authorities decided that the threat of a major eruption was over.

Jesus spoke of these things.
And then he said:
Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

 

[evangelist6589]

You mean events like these:

Just in the past few days:
A strong earthquake that rocked Northern California's scenic Napa wine country early Sunday injured more than 100 people, sent brick and concrete tumbling from historic buildings and triggered fires and power outages.
Officials said at least 15 buildings were left uninhabitable, and many more awaited further evaluation. State transportation officials inspected highways and bridges and declared them safe for travel.

At the same time,
A 6.9 magnitude earthquake struck Peru Sunday evening, making it the third major earthquake to hit the west coast of the Americas in less than 24 hours
On Saturday evening, just a few hours before the early morning California quake, a 6.4 magnitude earthquake struck about 73 miles north of Santiago, Chile, in the port city of Valparaiso.

Also on Saturday, after hundreds of small earthquakes two larger ones were felt in Iceland, causing one of the major volcanoes there to show signs of erupting. Though some ashes could be seen, after some time the authorities decided that the threat of a major eruption was over.

Jesus spoke of these things.
And then he said:
Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

The signs are frightening. He is coming back very soon, yes he is coming back indeed!

 

[Thousand Hills]

Truth be told I do not know when He will return but it is possible I will never get a chance to pay off my debts and that is why all attempts of finding a better paying position have failed. But if He were to return in a month what do you want him to find you doing?

Hurry Christ may return within the month!!!!

So if I'm understanding you correctly, everything going on right now is a sign that God doesn't want you to worry about paying your debts. The ones you've started endless threads on.

This "escapism" mentality is part of what has turned me off to the dispy system.

 

[DHK]

So if I'm understanding you correctly, everything going on right now is a sign that God doesn't want you to worry about paying your debts. The ones you've started endless threads on.

This "escapism" mentality is part of what has turned me off to the dispy system.

Not at all.
Live as if he should come at any moment.
Plan as if he is coming in a hundred years or so.
We live realistic lives.

 

[OldRegular]

The signs are frightening. He is coming back very soon, yes he is coming back indeed!

Why be frightened if you believe you are going to be taken out and miss all the tribulation those Left Behind must endure? Perhaps Hagee needs to start rebuilding the temple now!

 

[OldRegular]

Just a resume of Natural Disasters over the years:

GREATEST NATURAL DISASTERS

The 10 worst natural disasters in terms of death toll are extracted from a list of 66 compiled by David B. Hall. The complete list is available on the internet. I have yet to find an appropriate way to reference the work by Mr. Hall. Sadly, though not a natural disaster Mr. Hall fails to mention the millions of unborn children aborted world wide each year, more than 50 million slaughtered in the United states alone since the 1973 Roe v Wade decision by the Supreme Court. Strangely approximately one third of all pregnancies in this country are terminated by abortion which comports with the one third mentioned in Revelation 9:15-18.

EGYPT AND SYRIA, 1201
The deadliest earthquake in history hit the eastern Mediterranean in July 1201. Approximately 1.1 million people were killed, mostly in Egypt and Syria. This makes it close to one of the ten worst natural disasters in recorded history.


MOST OF EUROPE AND BEYOND, 1347-1350
Approximately 25 million lost their lives through the "Black Death" - the bubonic plague. Between 25 and 33% of the entire population of Europe at that time, plus millions in Asia and North Africa lost their lives.


WESTERN HEMISPHERE, MOSTLY 16TH - 18TH CENTURIES
Untold millions of lives of American Indians were lost through the various sicknesses brought over from Europe (to which they had no previous exposure or resistance.) It's very difficult to get figures on this that are not politically infected one way or another (very high or very low).


INDIA, 1769
About ten million people lost their lives from a famine in Bengal.


CHINA, 1876 - 1879
The deadliest drought in recorded history was in China between 1876 and 1879. Rivers were dry, so most crops and livestock died. There was no food production in a 1-million km2 area of 9 provinces. The drought caused the death of an estimated nine million people.


WORLD-WIDE, 1918 - 1919
Influenza pandemic takes somewhere between 35 million and 75 million lives (some reports estimate around a hundred million, but those can't be confirmed) - at least 16 million people died in India alone. This is clearly the worst disaster - at least in the last thousand years.


CHINA, 1935
Another Yellow River flood "caused 27 counties inundated and 3.4 million victims".* How many actual lives were killed we don't know. If you have facts, let us hear from you


CHINA, 1958 - 61
As many as 20 million people died in this famine. *

* We received the following response to this post

Sirs: I would ask that you consider re-characterizing the 20-30 million who died in China during the period 1959-61 as a political blunder rather than a famine. Famines are typically understood to be the result of diminished food production due to weather or other natural disasters. This was not the case in China. Food production was for the most part normal during this period. What changed was the desire of local cadre wanting to look good and reporting increased food production following Mao's politics of "right" practices. Mao's government simply took their share of the harvest, 50%. But since the reported harvest was in fact inflated, what resulted was the entire production being shipped to Beijing. This more accurately could be labeled Mao's Holocaust.* Respectfully, Doug Searles


AFRICA, 1981 - 1984
Rivers and lakes dried up from the drought that had incredible impact on twenty African nations. During one season about 20,000 were starving to death EACH MONTH.* 150 million were facing starvation if help didn't come right away. People from around the world began to respond to this crisis - but for hundreds of thousands of people, it was too late. (If you have figures for this, please let us know. When combined with other relatively recent African famines, the fugure is well over 1,000,000)


NORTH KOREA, 1995-98
Over 3 million are said to have died from famine and floods in North Korea.​

So you see evangelist6589 you have nothing to worry about. The recent natural disasters are minuscule compared to those in the past and according to your Darby doctrine you will be gone when things get really bad.

 

[OldRegular]

I see no one yet wants to address the Scripture showing there is no Secret Rapture! I fully understand1

 

[DHK]

I see no one yet wants to address the Scripture showing there is no Secret Rapture! I fully understand1

There is plenty of Scriptural defense for the rapture. Some of the scripture you have already posted. But you don't want anyone to post it for you.
Remarks like this are totally untrue and in very poor taste.

Well it is closer than when HE ascended about 2000 years ago and closer than when Darby fell often his horse and had an epiphany; but it will not be secret and it will not be silent:

Really, you need to apologize for such slander.

 

[Yeshua1]

What's the hurry? According to Calvinism God has chosen who will be the elect since before the creation of the world. They will be saved no matter what you or I do and according to God's timetable.

Many of the greatest 'soul winners" were calvinist, so they all held to now getting out the message!

 

[Yeshua1]

I see no one yet wants to address the Scripture showing there is no Secret Rapture! I fully understand1

We have still been waiting for the berses that show that His second coming already happened, as full pretierist hold, or that satan is now being bound, as A mil hold, despite there still being ewars/famines/diseases, and all sorts of false religions on the earth!

 

[evangelist6589]

So if I'm understanding you correctly, everything going on right now is a sign that God doesn't want you to worry about paying your debts. The ones you've started endless threads on.

This "escapism" mentality is part of what has turned me off to the dispy system.

You put words into my mouth. I am doing all that I can to pay what I can, but unfortunately the debt amount is too high for my income to pay back in my lifetime. Last week I applied for a job paying far better but I have yet to hear back. I can only keep on trying.

 

[Don]

You put words into my mouth. I am doing all that I can to pay what I can, but unfortunately the debt amount is too high for my income to pay back in my lifetime. Last week I applied for a job paying far better but I have yet to hear back. I can only keep on trying.

Have you called them back? Just to thank them for the opportunity to apply, and see if they have any questions?

 

[OldRegular]

There is plenty of Scriptural defense for the rapture. Some of the scripture you have already posted. But you don't want anyone to post it for you.
Remarks like this are totally untrue and in very poor taste.

I will respond to you one last time. No one, and I mean no one, has presented a single verse of Scripture that demonstrates the so-called pre-trib rapture of the Church. You know it and every person on this BB knows it.

Really, you need to apologize for such slander.

I never apologize for speaking the truth!

 

[OldRegular]

We have still been waiting for the berses that show that His second coming already happened, as full pretierist hold,

I am not a full preterist so take the matter up with them.

or that satan is now being bound, as A mil hold, despite there still being ewars/famines/diseases, and all sorts of false religions on the earth!

I have posted very clear easy to understand Scripture showing that Jesus Christ bound Satan. You just will not believe anything that doesn't fit your dispensational bias! But I will give you one more:

1 Peter 3:22. Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Now y1 that is very easy to understand. Please note the underlined portion: angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

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I posted several Scripture on this thread showing the resurrection beginning with the one you dispensationalists mistakenly call the "rapture". The similarity between these Scripture clearly confirm the words of the LORD Jesus Christ in John 5:28, 29. But they don't comport with dispensational error, sorry dispensational eschatology, so you ignore them!

I also posted Scripture on another thread showing that the "true believers" and the judgment of the wicked will take place at the same time but you reject those also. I will repeat the post for the edification of you and others from http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=95027&page=6:

That is a pipe dream and I really don't understand why you people cannot simply understand what Scripture clearly teaches.

You have to throw away Matthew 21:43. Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

You have to throw away John 5: 28, 29. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

You have to throw away John 6:39. And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

And

John 6:40. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And

John 6:44. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And

John 6:54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

And

John 11:24. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

And

John 12:48. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The verses John 6:39 through John 12:48 clearly show that the resurrection of the believer and the judgment of the unbeliever occur at the same time. That cannot be honestly disputed.

You have to throw away Acts 24:15. And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

You have to throw away 1 Corinthians 15:20-26. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

You have already thrown away 1 Peter 3:22. Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

And all because of a fictitious pre-trib rapture invented out of "whole cloth" by one John Nelson Darby while he was recovering from a fall off a horse. There is absolutely no basis in Scripture for such and no one on this Board has yet produced one. It does not exist!

 

[Greektim]

Lately there have been several earthquakes, changing weather patterns globally, and other signs to indicate the pregnant woman is about to give birth. I know that Arminian and modified Calvinists agree with this. Yes one author I was reading was talking about the different types of Calvinist and would describe me as modified due to my Dispensationalism.

Truth be told I do not know when He will return but it is possible I will never get a chance to pay off my debts and that is why all attempts of finding a better paying position have failed. But if He were to return in a month what do you want him to find you doing?

Some of you think that music and Bible translations is such a hill to die on but jesus does not agree. I'd say the same of the CAL VS Armin debate. A recently departed poster tried to say that Calvinism is another gospel so hence that is not the right attitude to have about other brethren.

I'd say you spend all your time serving The Lord and being out witnessing. Pass out as many tracts as possible, do open air preaching if you can, and talk to as many lost people as possible. Yes meeting their spiritual needs and preaching REPENTANCE is more important than meeting their physical needs.

Hurry Christ may return within the month!!!!

Secret rapture but there are signs to indicate it is near????