1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured The Sinners Ability to CHOOSE

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jan 2, 2022.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2020
    Messages:
    10,454
    Likes Received:
    451
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It is interesting, that when you guys who accept "reformed theology", cannot answer what the Bible actually says, you make it up as you go along! There is NO evidence from the Bible, that the Book referred to in Exodus, is not what John mentions in Revelation. If there is, then show this here! Those mentioned in Exodus, had their names in the Book of God already, otherwise they could not have been blotted out! In Revelation 3:5, Jesus says, "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels". This is a promise to those who OVERCOME. The language used by Jesus here, seems to suggest, that those who do not overcome, will be blotted out, otherwise this warning by Jesus is pointless.
     
  2. DaveXR650

    DaveXR650 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2021
    Messages:
    2,904
    Likes Received:
    344
    Faith:
    Baptist
    SBG. To me, from what I have seen in life as well as stories in scripture, I have decided that the explanation as given by what we call Calvinism best suits our human condition and scripture. I think from a scripture standpoint, Jesus talk in John about being born again and the comparison to the wind especially closes the book on the subject. But you go by the name SavedByGrace and if you come to Christ in faith and believe that your free will choice is not a merit then our only disagreement would be philosophical. And that's OK. My only question to you would be - if I believe all 5 points of the TULIP and if I believe that regeneration comes before faith - can I still be a Christian brother. There were 3 active threads on this site yesterday where Calvinism was called a false or perverted gospel. I have been accused of being a tare among the wheat for suggesting that Calvinism is difficult to understand so I know we can dish it out also. What is your opinion on all that.
     
  3. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2020
    Messages:
    10,454
    Likes Received:
    451
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You mention TULIP and Calvinism, and yet John Calvin, who is meant to be the "father" of Calvinism, which is from his name, never accepted the L of TUILP! Is this then not a false name to adopt?

    Your error of "regeneration comes before faith", cannot mean that you are not a brother in the Lord, as this theology does not save a sinner! You say that "best suits our human condition and scripture", because you are a Calvinist! As I have said before, John 3:16-18 itself destroys the TULI of TULIP!
     
  4. DaveXR650

    DaveXR650 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2021
    Messages:
    2,904
    Likes Received:
    344
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Agreed. And it works the other way too as my goal in life is not to make everyone a 5 pointer. It's funny how to me John ch. 3 clinches it for Calvinism and for others clinches it the other way! I explained why I think the Calvinistic system is right, especially in regards to free will and we just disagree. I will not continue to badger you as I respect your opinion.
     
  5. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,643
    Likes Received:
    642
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Question

    how can a non regenerated person call upon a God in whom they have not believed?

    It takes faith to call upon God

    And to know that God will act upon you calling on His name takes faith

    Anyone outside of faith is an enemy of God
     
    #105 Marooncat79, Jan 4, 2022
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2022
  6. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2020
    Messages:
    10,454
    Likes Received:
    451
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What I find funny is the misuse of John chapter 3 by the Calvinists. All it is saying is that the new birth is not outward but inward and spiritual and not visible to the eye.
     
  7. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,643
    Likes Received:
    642
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Please explain
     
  8. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2020
    Messages:
    10,454
    Likes Received:
    451
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jesus tells Nicodemus that he "must be born again". Nicodemus, replies, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be born?" (verse 4), obviously understanding Jesus to refer to being born again naturally. Jesus then goes on to explain, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit...The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (verses 6, 8). Just as no one can see the wind that blows, likewise no one can visibly see the conversion brought about by the Holy Spirit. It is a spiritual birth, not human, as Nicodemus supposed.
     
  9. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You are projecting here. Do you think conversion and regeneration are synonyms?
     
  10. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    And you don't birth yourself.
     
  11. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Ignorance abounds
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That is all it is saying? What kind of watered down theology nonsense do you follow?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2020
    Messages:
    10,911
    Likes Received:
    1,458
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So you admit that Moses never references the "Book of Life" that John mentions in Revelation, but you simply force it into Exodus 32. You are doing what you complain about others. The text never, not once, says "Book of Life." The context does not support "Book of Life." But, it does support Moses asking God to blot him (Moses) out of the Book God is writing, if God kills all of Israel.
    sbg, you are projecting onto the text.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  14. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2020
    Messages:
    10,454
    Likes Received:
    451
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Read Titus 3:5-7

    "he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life"

    Speaking of salvation, which is being converted from a sinner into a believer/Christian. Paul says that this is REGENERATION, which in the Greek is the compound word, "παλιγγενεσίας", which is literally, "again-rebirth". At this same time, this BORN AGAIN sinner, is RENEWED by the Holy Spirit and WASHED in the blood of Jesus Christ. This is called here JUSTIFICATION. Note, all of this is TOGETHER, and not as some moderns say, that REGENERATION comes before FAITH, which means, according to this passage in Titus, that the sinner is BORN AGAIN, before they are saved! We call this here in England, CODSWALLOP!
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  15. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2020
    Messages:
    10,454
    Likes Received:
    451
    Faith:
    Baptist
    who says that any sinner does? it is NOT as the reformed mislead and teach from this passage, about regeneration prior to salvation!
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  16. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2020
    Messages:
    10,454
    Likes Received:
    451
    Faith:
    Baptist
    at least you are honest to admit you are ignorant! :D
     
  17. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You are cherry picking. Regeneration and conversion are not the same thing. PERSONALLY I believe they happen at the same time.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2020
    Messages:
    10,454
    Likes Received:
    451
    Faith:
    Baptist
    really? then show what else it says in this passage?
     
  19. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    How are you born again?
     
  20. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Nope.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...