The soul is NOT the Body - Mt. 10:28

[Moriah]

Of course I have defined the soul several times already on this thread. However, since you are new I will accomodate your question.

The soul is your conscious personality that consists of intellect/mind, emotions and volition. It is your conscious self or the mental, emotional, volitional interaction that goes on inside you. That interaction within is manifested by what you say and do without and so the outward expression is your transparent "life" because as a man thinketh in his heart so is he!

Hence, the soul is what really angers men so that they desire to kill you. It is not your body they are trying to kill, it is what is obnoxious to them - your personality, soul expression through the body. The body simply serves as the vehicle of expression for the soul. Man can kill the body but they cannot kill the soul.

The human "spirit" and "soul" are distinguished from each other by the Word of God (Heb. 4:12; 1 Thes. 5:23) but both are IMMATERIAL substance or spirit as God is spirit in substance.

However, just as the body is the vehicle of expression for the soul, the soul is the vehicle of expression for the spirit. As the soul is the seat of conscious SELF life the spirit is the seat of conscious SPIRITUAL life. It is the spirit of man that enteracts with the spirit world just as the body enteracts with the outerworld. The spirit is the medium through which the spirit world is made conscious to the soul just as the body is the medium through which the outer world is made conscious to the soul. It is through the human spirit that direct revelatory knowledge is made conscious to the soul's mind without study or intellectual activity. It is the spirit that is the seat of the conscience. It is the spirit that is born of the Spirit and where the Spirit of God dwells within the child of God and our spirit bears witness with His Spirit.

When God created man God breathed plural "LIVES" into man - spiritual life, soul life, physical life making man a triune being as one aspect created in the image or likeness of God. The unglorified man is a "living soul" whereas the glorified man is a "living spirit." The distinction is not a matter of substance (spirit, soul and body) but the priority of dominance as the glorified man is no longer "SELF" driven but "Spirit" driven. The "soul" is the seat of SELF-consciousness where mind, emotions and will dominate man. The glorified man is completed subjected to God through his "spirit".

Salvation is three-fold for the whole man.

1. What is born of Spirit is spirit - Past tense "saved" - regeneration/justification - "live in the Spirit"

2. Conscious submission to the spirit (soul) - "save" - progressive sanctification -"walk in the Spirit"

3. This corruptible put on incorrupiton (body) - "shall be saved" - glorification

You still have not explained what a spirit is.

 

[The Biblicist]

You still have not explained what a spirit is.

I have explain it completely and fully to anyone who is capable of spiritual discernment. I guess that pretty well charactizes your problem doesn't it. You are not capable of spiritual discernment (1 Cor. 2:14).

 

[Moriah]

I have explain it completely and fully to anyone who is capable of spiritual discernment. I guess that pretty well charactizes your problem doesn't it. You are not capable of spiritual discernment (1 Cor. 2:14).

Explain HOW the spirit "communes" with God or demons.

You say the spirit is not the part that thinks and speaks! So again, explain how the spirit communes. If you are so spiritually discerned, then explain.

 

[DHK]

Explain HOW the spirit "communes" with God or demons.

You say the spirit is not the part that thinks and speaks! So again, explain how the spirit communes. If you are so spiritually discerned, then explain.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

What do you think was happening here in the Church at Corinth? What was the situation that Paul was addressing?

 

[Moriah]

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

What do you think was happening here in the Church at Corinth? What was the situation that Paul was addressing?

The people speaking, they spoke with words. Biblicist said our spirit is NOT the part that can speak.

 

[DHK]

The people speaking, they spoke with words. Biblicist said our spirit is NOT the part that can speak.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

"no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed"

If you are reading this post you are reading "Jesus is accursed." He isn't. But there are the words. You have "said" them in your mind. Did you say them "by your spirit"? By another spirit? By the Holy Spirit? By what Spirit? You did say them because you read this post. So what was Paul talking about?

 

[Moriah]

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

"no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed"

If you are reading this post you are reading "Jesus is accursed." He isn't. But there are the words. You have "said" them in your mind. Did you say them "by your spirit"? By another spirit? By the Holy Spirit? By what Spirit? You did say them because you read this post. So what was Paul talking about?

Where do you get that if someone reads that post they are reading, "Jesus is accursed?" I read, "No man speaking by the Spriit of God calleth Jesus accursed."

In addition, Biblicist said the part that thinks and speaks is NOT the spirit of a man; he said it is the soul.
If the spirit cannot think and speak, then how does it commune with God or with demons, as the Biblicist said the spirit of a man does?

 

[DHK]

Where do you get that if someone reads that post they are reading, "Jesus is accursed?" I read, "No man speaking by the Spriit of God calleth Jesus accursed."

Look, I am not speaking to Biblicist, I am speaking to you. Nevermind him for the moment. Paul wrote: "No man speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed." Obviously there was a problem in Corinth. There were some that were calling Christ accursed by another spirit. Something was happening to cause Paul to write that. He didn't write it for the good of his health. Who was saying "Christ is accursed," and how or by what means?

 

[Moriah]

Look, I am not speaking to Biblicist, I am speaking to you. Nevermind him for the moment. Paul wrote: "No man speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed." Obviously there was a problem in Corinth. There were some that were calling Christ accursed by another spirit. Something was happening to cause Paul to write that. He didn't write it for the good of his health. Who was saying "Christ is accursed," and how or by what means?

Paul was explaining that if someone says Jesus is accursed, then that person does not have the Spirit of God in them, or they are not speaking the Truth of God.

 

[The Biblicist]

Explain HOW the spirit "communes" with God or demons.

You say the spirit is not the part that thinks and speaks! So again, explain how the spirit communes. If you are so spiritually discerned, then explain.

If you read what I said carefully, I said that the body is the physical vehicle of expression for the soul. That is, the mind, emotions and will find expression through the body.

I also said that the soul provides the vehicle of expression of the human spirit. The spirit find expression in the mind, emotions and will.

The human spirit is the vehicle of expression for the spirit world. If you are lost, then demonic spirits can express themselves to your soul through the human spirit. If you are saved the Holy Spirit expresses himself to your soul through the human spirit.

I gave an example of direct revelation. Knowledge that does not come from mental work, study, or reasoning. It is not derived from the soul of man. It comes from the spiritual world through the medium of your human spirit. Just as those who worship God must worship God "in spirit" = in the sphere of the human spirit because that is where the Holy Spirit resides within the born again man and that is where UNION between God and man exists as it is a SPIRITUAL union not a mental or emotional or volitional union but a SPIRITUAL union. It is not a SOULISH union but a SPIRITUAL union. It is not a PHYSICAL union but a SPIRITUAL union. The human spirit is the medium between the spirit world and the soul of man just as the body is the medium between the soul of man and this world.

We were created three dimensional so that we can communue with OURSELVES, with the OUTER world and with the SPIRITUAL world and thus we have a plurality of lives - soul life, spiritual life and physical life.

 

[DHK]

Paul was explaining that if someone says Jesus is accursed, then that person does not have the Spirit of God in them, or they are not speaking the Truth of God.

No he wasn't. Because if he was you just said (typed) "Jesus is accursed" and therefore you don't have the Spirit of God in you. Is that what you are admitting? Anyone can say those words. You just did. So he was saying something more than that. Think about it. Read the text carefully.

 

[Moriah]

If you read what I said carefully,

I am reading carefully.

I said that the body is the physical vehicle of expression for the soul.

The body is the physical vehicle to live on an earthy world.

That is, the mind, emotions and will find expression through the body.

The mind, emotions, and will do not always have to find expression through the body.

I also said that the soul provides the vehicle of expression of the human spirit.

What is the soul expressing from the human spirit, according to your beliefs? You said the spirit does not have a mind or emotions, again, and then what is it expressing?

The spirit find expression in the mind, emotions and will.

What is the spirit expressing to the mind and emotions and will? If the spirit does not think, have emotions, or have a will, then what and why is it expressing?

The human spirit is the vehicle of expression for the spirit world.

Now you say the human spirit is the vehicle of expression for the spirit world. How is it a vehicle to the spirit world if it cannot think, or speak?

I gave an example of direct revelation. Knowledge that does not come from mental work, study, or reasoning.

A person still has to think in order to acknowledge the revelation. You said the spirit does not think.

It is not derived from the soul of man. It comes from the spiritual world through the medium of your human spirit.

It is still not clear what you are saying. You still say nothing in describing what a man’s spirit is. You describe it as non-thinking, non-feeling, invisible, above the mind, but you say it is what communes.

Just as those who worship God must worship God "in spirit" = in the sphere of the human spirit because

So, you are ultimately saying that we must worship God in mindlessness and without emotions.

that is where the Holy Spirit resides within the born again man and that is where UNION between God and man exists as it is a SPIRITUAL union

The Bible says God’s Spirit lives in our heart.

not a mental or emotional or volitional union but a SPIRITUAL union.

I disagree with you.

It is not a SOULISH union but a SPIRITUAL union.

It is about the soul and the spirit.

It is not a PHYSICAL union but a SPIRITUAL union.

Jesus is in my physical body.

 

[Moriah]

No he wasn't. Because if he was you just said (typed) "Jesus is accursed" and therefore you don't have the Spirit of God in you. Is that what you are admitting? Anyone can say those words. You just did. So he was saying something more than that. Think about it. Read the text carefully.

That is a confused mess what you speak.

 

[DHK]

That is a confused mess what you speak.

I am not the one confused. I just explained the Scripture. Because you can't understand the Scripture you are confused. Read the verse again. What does it mean?

 

[Moriah]

I am not the one confused. I just explained the Scripture. Because you can't understand the Scripture you are confused. Read the verse again. What does it mean?

Because I read a scripture, that does not mean I say Jesus is accursed. That is too strange and wrong of thinking to contemplate. Let us move along…

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Biblicist: The human "spirit" as distinct from the "soul" in your IMMATERIAL NATURE (one immaterial nature that has two different distinctions) acts as the medium between the SPIRIT WORLD and your "soul" ( self-consciousness) that brings you into communion with either demonic or the Divine. The "soul" is able to perceive the spirit world through your "spirit" and so acts as the spiritual medium between your "soul" and Satan or God. This is how the "soul" (mind, feelings, will) are taken over by demons through the higher faculty of your spirit. Lost men, witches, demon possessed persons can interact with demons through the medium of their own spirit. The spirit of saved people has been cleansed of the defiling presence of demons and sin and God the Holy Spirit takes up his residence within the spirit of man which has been born of God and created in true holiness and righteousness so that it cannot sin but is perfectly glorified here and now through the new birth (1 Jn. 3:9). This is the past tense "saved" which is complete in regard to you "spirit". The present tense "save" is the santifying of your soul (mind, intellect, will) and the future tense "shall be saved" is the glorification of your body in the future.

HP: This is nothing short of a bunch of philosophical gooblygock, without the least shred of clear evidence from Scripture or reason. I suppose you hammered this out on your own anvil reading the Bible alone.

 

[DHK]

Because I read a scripture, that does not mean I say Jesus is accursed. That is too strange and wrong of thinking to contemplate. Let us move along…

No, let's not move along until you explain that verse. You not only read the verse you typed those words "Jesus is accursed." Now what is wrong with you? By your own admission you have said those words not according to the Holy Spirit. So what is happening to you? Have you fallen from grace? What does the verse mean?

 

[Moriah]

HP: This is nothing short of a bunch of philosophical gooblygock, without the least shred of clear evidence from Scripture or reason. I suppose you hammered this out on your own anvil reading the Bible alone.

Thank You, Father, for my brother HP.

 

[Moriah]

No, let's not move along until you explain that verse. You not only read the verse you typed those words "Jesus is accursed." Now what is wrong with you? By your own admission you have said those words not according to the Holy Spirit. So what is happening to you? Have you fallen from grace? What does the verse mean?

I have already answered the question, see #29.

 

[Moriah]

Where do you get that if someone reads that post they are reading, "Jesus is accursed?" I read, "No man speaking by the Spriit of God calleth Jesus accursed."

DHK,


Nowhere at no time have I ever said what you said I said.

You do not show to have sound doctrine. There is no logic in the slander you try to put on me when I read scripture.