The Soul

[Jim1999]

shucks, Marcia,,We agree on something.....Bless.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[steaver]

"..the soul that sins, it shall die..." Ez 18:4...So, once we sin, we live life without a soul.Hmm

Cheers,

Jim

Remember that scripture teaches us that a soul is a person. The soul will die both physically(leave earth) and spiritually(cut off from the holy Spirit), yet continue to exist aware of one's condition.

 

[Marcia]

shucks, Marcia,,We agree on something.....Bless.

Cheers,

Jim

Yay! Amen to that! :wavey:

 

[Jim1999]

Maybe I am not a socialist, liberal hypocrite afterall. There is hope!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[steaver]

Gen 2:7 does not teach that body plus spirit equals soul, but that body plus spirit equals person. The man became a liviing person when God, having fashioned his body, breathed the breath of life into it.......

With help from F.F. Bruce

Cheers,

Jim

Then from your understanding, God did not create a soul in Genesis 2:7?

 

[Marcia]

Then from your understanding, God did not create a soul in Genesis 2:7?

No, he created a living being which comprised of body/mind/soul or spirit.

 

[Jim1999]

That particular verse has reference to a living person and not a seprate entity called "nephesh" or soul.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[steaver]

No, he created a living being which comprised of body/mind/soul or spirit.

But a living being is a living soul (nephesh)

 

[steaver]

That particular verse has reference to a living person and not a seprate entity called "nephesh" or soul.

Cheers,

Jim

My Strong's states "nephesh".

 

[Marcia]

But a living being is a living soul (nephesh)

Yes, they are the same thing in many passages. IOW, nephesh often means a living being. It's like the example I gave about 300 souls perishing. That means 300 people perished.

Gen 2.7
7Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. NASB

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. NKJV

Then the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, and the man became a living person. NLT

NIV has "living being."

 

[steaver]

Yes, they are the same thing in many passages. IOW, nephesh often means a living being. It's like the example I gave about 300 souls perishing. That means 300 people perished.

Why do I feel like we are arguing for the same thing? :laugh:

 

[Jim1999]

Have a look at Num 6:6, "All the days that he separated himself unto the LORD he shall not come at no dead "nephesh"..here "body".

Then, consider Psalm 69:1, "Save me, O God! For the waters have come up to my nephesh...generally translated as "neck" The KJV translates it literally as "soul" Nephesh..

The word in Hebrew, Nephesh, has such a wide range of meanings in English it cannot be singularily translated as soul, but must depend totally on contex.

Again, I say, it ain't so easy, is it?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[steaver]

I keep saying a living soul is a living person and Jim keeps saying No, Gen 2:7 does not say nephesh and you keep agreeing with Jim. THen I say yes it does say nephesh and you say Yes it does too! I feel like I am in a twighlight zone here! :tongue3:

 

[Marcia]

I keep saying a living soul is a living person and Jim keeps saying No, Gen 2:7 does not say nephesh and you keep agreeing with Jim. THen I say yes it does say nephesh and you say Yes it does too! I feel like I am in a twighlight zone here! :tongue3:

Maybe we are!

Well, I thought from previous comments you were trying to say God created a soul as the immaterial being as though he were creating the soul first or apart from the person, when Gen 2.7 is just saying that God created a person.

 

[Jim1999]

If a sermon in a fundamentalist church looks like it might end in twenty minutes, try circumlocution, it will prolly last 30-40 minutes..........:laugh:

Cheers,

Jim

 

[steaver]

Have a look at Num 6:6, "All the days that he separated himself unto the LORD he shall not come at no dead "nephesh"..here "body".

Then, consider Psalm 69:1, "Save me, O God! For the waters have come up to my nephesh...generally translated as "neck" The KJV translates it literally as "soul" Nephesh..

The word in Hebrew, Nephesh, has such a wide range of meanings in English it cannot be singularily translated as soul, but must depend totally on contex.

Again, I say, it ain't so easy, is it?

Cheers,

Jim

Again, I think you are making it more difficult than it is.

Dead body, dead soul, I don't see a problem with Numbers 6:6.

Up to my soul, up to my neck, up to my body. If the water is up to your neck then I do believe you would be in fear for your soul/life.

I believe soul means person and is generally understood as being a person in most of the OT.

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

If a sermon in a fundamentalist church looks like it might end in twenty minutes, try circumlocution, it will prolly last 30-40 minutes..........:laugh:

Cheers,

Jim

Well, I had to look that one up :tongue3: Might have heard it before, probably in one ear and out the other, else right over the top, but never seen it printed on the board before.

Good one Jim! :thumbs:

 

[steaver]

Maybe we are!

Well, I thought from previous comments you were trying to say God created a soul as the immaterial being as though he were creating the soul first or apart from the person, when Gen 2.7 is just saying that God created a person.

You mean those comments were I kept saying a living soul was a person? :tongue3: ...just kidding...

Well, I am glad we got that settled.... :thumbs:

 

[steaver]

Back to the OP...

Can someone define the relationship of the soul, the brain and the body to me. a) What is the soul? b) Is the soul related to life, c) or is the soul connected to the brain? d) Describe the soul as you would the heart, the brain, the body etc.

Cheers,

Jim

a) The soul is the person. (Gen 2:7)

b) The soul is related to life, it is a living soul, Gen 2:7

c) The soul is connected to the brain, a living soul has a brain.

d) The soul is YOU, the soul's body, YOUR body, will die and one day be ressurrected to never die again.

:jesus:

 

[Jim1999]

Circumlocution can be a really good teaching tool. I often employed it in a class when certain students had all the answers even before I taught the questions. I took them in circles until they arrived at the answer of their own volition. How brilliant they were!

When that didn't work out, I tried the other one of reminding them that I may be wrong, but remember, I mark the papers!

Cheers,

Jim