If you think New Testament writers pulled words, phrases, verses out of context then God is the author of confusion.
What post? I could not find these scriptues in any post on this thread. I did read the scriptues but I don't see anything that makes your point in these scriptures.
"In the original context, Jeremiah is speaking of an event soon to come as the Babylonian Captivity begins. As the Jewish young men were being taken into captivity, they went by the town of Ramah. Not too far from Ramah is where Rachel was buried and she was the symbol of Jewish motherhood. As the young men were marched toward Babylon, the Jewish mothers of Ramah came out weeping for sons they will never see again. Jeremiah pictured the scene as Rachel weeping for her children...there is a New Testament event that has one point of similarity with the Old Testament event...The one point of similarity between Ramah and Bethlehem is that once again Jewish mothers are weeping for sons they will never see again and so the Old Testament passage is applied to the New Testament event".
Fruchtenbaum, A (2001). Israelology. San Antonio, TX, USA: Ariel Ministries. (Original work published 1989). p. 844.
Matthew only quoted that portion of the Jeremiah passage that has similarity to what is being fulfilled during the time he writes about. The rest of Jeremiah's passage bears no resemblance to Matthew's account. "Rightly dividing" scripture, we come to such a conclusion. In order to divide, one must put some of the whole into one group, and the other of the whole into another group, that's what division is. If we are to say that the whole context of Jeremiah is fulfilled the same time that Matthew indicates the section of Jeremiah, we are wrongly dividing the scriptures. The "context" rule must be discarded.
Concerning Psalm 69,
ESV
Save me, O God!
For the waters have come up to my neck.
2 I sink in deep mire,
where there is no foothold;
I have come into deep waters,
and the flood sweeps over me.
3 I am weary with my crying out;
my throat is parched.
My eyes grow dim
with waiting for my God.
This is speaking of Christ in Sheol. There are other threads on here where I have proved that Christ was in Sheol.
What I haven't wrote much on in those threads is the fact that Sheol is beyond the water.
Matthew 12:39-40 seems to indicate this, but there are other scriptural indications. Romans 10:6-7 and its quotation of Deuteronomy 30:12-13 shows this. Romans 10:7 says that the place Christ went to, which was Hades/Sheol (Acts 2:25, 27), is "the deep" (KJV), and says that this place is where Christ descended to when He died. Deuteronomy 30:13 tells us that the place is "beyond the sea" (KJV).
Therefore, Christ was in the heart of the earth (Mt. 12:40), descended to Hades (Rom. 10:7; Acts 2:27), which was "beyond the sea" (Dt. 30:13, KJV).
These first verses of Psalm 69 are describing Christ's experience in Hades, which was "beyond the sea" (Dt. 30:13, KJV), as we can see: "I have come into deep waters, and the flood sweeps over me" (Ps. 69:2, ESV) (remember how He said that there was content in the Psalms that concerned Him? - Lk. 24:44).
4 More in number than the hairs of my head
are those who
hate me without cause;
mighty are those who would destroy me,
those who attack me with lies.
What I did not steal
must I now restore?
5 O God, you know my folly;
the wrongs I have done are not hidden from you.
- Bold emphasis mine.
John 15:25 says that this was speaking of Christ: "But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause" (KJV).
However, verse 5 says that this entity sinned. This therefore cannot be referring to Christ before the Church was built. Verse 5 is to be taken "out of context". It is to be "rightly divided" into its proper dispensation. It is speaking of the sins of the Church, which is His body, that Christ prays/intercedes for.
6 Let not those who hope in you be put to shame through me,
O Lord God of hosts;
let not those who seek you be brought to dishonor through me,
O God of Israel.
This (v. 6) is still speaking of the Church, Christ's body.
7 For it is for your sake that I have borne reproach,
that dishonor has covered my face.
8 I have become a stranger to my brothers,
an alien to my mother's sons.
The apostle, tells us that Christ's brethren didn't believe in Him (John 7:5).
9 For zeal for your house has consumed me,
and the reproaches of those who reproach you have fallen on me.
The apostles remembered this verse, when Christ went to the temple at passover and overthrew the tables (John 2:14-17). Paul also tells us that this is speaking of Christ (Rom. 15:3).
Now, if we take a step back for a moment, we will see that this whole psalm is quite unchronological in nature, is it not?
At first, it is speaking of Christ being in Sheol. This happened
after Christ's ministry, where the latter verses, like verses 8-9 were fulfilled. We are forced to "rightly divide" this psalm into its proper divisions, without paying attention to chronology and context.
10 When I wept and humbled my soul with fasting,
it became my reproach.
11 When I made sackcloth my clothing,
I became a byword to them.
12 I am the talk of those who sit in the gate,
and the drunkards make songs about me.
13 But as for me, my prayer is to you, O Lord.
At an acceptable time, O God,
in the abundance of your steadfast love answer me in your saving faithfulness.
14 Deliver me
from sinking in the mire;
let me be delivered from my enemies
and from the deep waters.
15 Let not the flood sweep over me,
or the deep swallow me up,
or the pit close its mouth over me.
Now, it goes back to Christ being in Sheol.
16 Answer me, O Lord, for your steadfast love is good;
according to your abundant mercy, turn to me.
17 Hide not your face from your servant;
for I am in distress; make haste to answer me.
18 Draw near to my soul, redeem me;
ransom me because of my enemies!
19 You know my reproach,
and my shame and my dishonor;
my foes are all known to you.
20 Reproaches have broken my heart,
so that I am in despair.
I looked for pity, but there was none,
and for comforters, but I found none.
21 They gave me poison for food,
and for my thirst they gave me sour wine to drink.
Now it is speaking of Christ on the cross (John 19:29-30).
And now, we get into Judas/Israel:
22 Let their own table before them become a snare;
and when they are at peace, let it become a trap.
23 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they cannot see,
and make their loins tremble continually.
24 Pour out your indignation upon them,
and let your burning anger overtake them.
In Romans 11:9-10, the Apostle tells us this is speaking of Israel. But the next verse is speaking of Judas:
25 May their camp be a desolation;
let no one dwell in their tents.
The Apostle tells us (Acts 1:20), that this is speaking of Judas. This is "out of context".
I think that the Apostles had the "right division" principle in mind in such OT passages as Psalm 69.
26 For they persecute him whom you have struck down,
and they recount the pain of those you have wounded.
27 Add to them punishment upon punishment;
may they have no acquittal from you.
28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living;
let them not be enrolled among the righteous.
29 But I am afflicted and in pain;
let your salvation, O God, set me on high!
30 I will praise the name of God with a song;
I will magnify him with thanksgiving.
31 This will please the Lord more than an ox
or a bull with horns and hoofs.
32 When the humble see it they will be glad;
you who seek God, let your hearts revive.
33 For the Lord hears the needy
and does not despise his own people who are prisoners.
34 Let heaven and earth praise him,
the seas and everything that moves in them.
35 For God will save Zion
and build up the cities of Judah,
and people shall dwell there and possess it;
36 the offspring of his servants shall inherit it,
and those who love his name shall dwell in it.
And now we get into the millennium. Way off topic, way out of context.
