The South’s Heritage Is So Much More Than a Flag

[Crabtownboy]

An excellent editorial. Read the entire editorial.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/magazine/the-souths-heritage-is-so-much-more-than-a-flag.html?_r=0

 

[JohnDeereFan]

An excellent editorial. Read the entire editorial.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/magazine/the-souths-heritage-is-so-much-more-than-a-flag.html?_r=0

Read it yesterday.

I think it's ironic that he admits the South has a heritage to represent, but doesn't like the symbol that represents it. He's always welcome to move up North, if he doesn't like it.

I also thought it was a little hypocritical that he says the flag represents oppression, but gives Obama a pass for marring his self aggrandizing "eulogy" by singing a song written by a notorious slave traders to a church full of blacks where a racially motivated mass shooting just took place.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Read it yesterday.

I think it's ironic that he admits the South has a heritage to represent, but doesn't like the symbol that represents it. He's always welcome to move up North, if he doesn't like it.

The flag is not a symbol for the South in the minds and hearts of many Southerners. For many it has become an embarrassment. I would much rather see something or a number of somethings and ideas as symbols of the South.

Courtesy manners is a good place to start.

I also thought it was a little hypocritical that he says the flag represents oppression, but gives Obama a pass for marring his self aggrandizing "eulogy" by singing a song written by a notorious slave traders to a church full of blacks where a racially motivated mass shooting just took place.

But the writer of the hymn repented. It is a beautiful hymn, one that the Black churches appreciate for the truth it contains. The folk in the Black church seems to be much more forgiving than many in the White church.

Remember the old saying:
"Oh Lord, I ain't what I want to be...
Oh Lord, I ain't what I oughta be...
Oh Lord, I ain't what I'm gonna be...
But thanks, dear Lord,
I ain't what I use to be..."

 

[JohnDeereFan]

But the writer of the hymn repented.

I see. So then, are you saying people should not be judged by what they once were?

It is a beautiful hymn, one that the Black churches appreciate for the truth it contains. The folk in the Black church seems to be much more forgiving than many in the White church.

If they're that forgiving, then why all the fuss about the flag?

Remember the old saying:
"Oh Lord, I ain't what I want to be...
Oh Lord, I ain't what I oughta be...
Oh Lord, I ain't what I'm gonna be...
But thanks, dear Lord,
I ain't what I use to be..."

Right. Because everybody knows blacks only speak in ebonics.

 

[Zaac]

Read it yesterday.

I think it's ironic that he admits the South has a heritage to represent, but doesn't like the symbol that represents it. He's always welcome to move up North, if he doesn't like it.

The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia doesn't properly represent anything but racism and treason. And those folks who want to fly it are IMO unAmerican, unpatriotic, and displaying an UnChristlike attitude.

As the writer penned in his editorial:

Why would a people steeped in the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Bible want to rally around a flag that so many associate with hatred and violence?

Excellent question.

I also thought it was a little hypocritical that he says the flag represents oppression, but gives Obama a pass for marring his self aggrandizing "eulogy" by singing a song written by a notorious slave traders to a church full of blacks where a racially motivated mass shooting just took place.

False equivalency deflection.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I see. So then, are you saying people should not be judged by what they once were?

Does God judge us on who we were before coming to Christ?

If they're that forgiving, then why all the fuss about the flag?

What is there to forgive in a symbol?

Why keep rubbing their nose, and other people's nose in hatred, insurrection and separation?

Right. Because everybody knows blacks only speak in ebonics.

Are you a PC policeman?

Originally Posted by Patterson Hood
Why would a people steeped in the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Bible want to rally around a flag that so many associate with hatred and violence?

Why not emphasis the positive in the Southern culture?

 

[Revmitchell]

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[Alcott]

Why would a people steeped in the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Bible want to rally around a flag that so many associate with hatred and violence?

Rally around a symbol of hatred and violence?
But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world [Galatians 6:14].

 

[Zaac]

The CBF is not the one from Virginia it is the Battle flag from Tennessee

One's a square , one's a rectangle. Either Virginia or Tennessee, it's well documented why folks started flying it and it has nothing to do with heritage.

 

[Revmitchell]

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[Zaac]

Why would a people steeped in the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Bible want to rally around a flag that so many associate with hatred and violence?

Rally around a symbol of hatred and violence?
But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world [Galatians 6:14].

AMEN.

But that Scripture doesn't seem to carry much weight when folks start talking about skin color issues.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Does God judge us on who we were before coming to Christ?

Categorization fallacy.

Why keep rubbing their nose, and other people's nose in hatred, insurrection and separation?

Who's doing that?

Are you a PC policeman?

No, just pointing out your racism.

Why not emphasis the positive in the Southern culture?

I agree. We do emphasize the positive in Southern culture. It's the outsiders who read the negative into it.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Why would a people steeped in the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Bible want to rally around a flag that so many associate with hatred and violence?

I agree. Let's get rid of the cross. After all, it's been burned many times to harass and intimidate minorities.

 

[Revmitchell]

I agree. Let's get rid of the cross. After all, it's been burned many times to harass and intimidate minorities.

Good point. Why are people not calling for the removal of the cross from any public display since it was used for racism?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Good point. Why are people not calling for the removal of the cross from any public display since it was used for racism?

Your reply and the reply of several others prove the point that in some circles there is no critical thinking, maybe no thinking at all, and thus you are proving why ignorance is destroying both America and the Christian church. And if that is not enough you re-enforce the false stereotypical view of Southerners being bigoted, narrow, uninformed, unthinking, interested only in fast cars, moonshine, lazy and prone to violence.

Please try to figure out the topic and stick to it. Thanks.

If you ask an intelligent, rational and on topic question I will respond. But not to your normal misdirection, smoke blowing questions. Or maybe I should just wait until you begin answering questions. OK?

 

[poncho]

Cop out . . .

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Your reply and the reply of several others prove the point that in some circles there is no critical thinking, maybe no thinking at all, and thus you are proving why ignorance is destroying both America and the Christian church. And if that is not enough you re-enforce the false stereotypical view of Southerners being bigoted, narrow, uninformed, unthinking, interested only in fast cars, moonshine, lazy and prone to violence.

Please try to figure out the topic and stick to it. Thanks.

If you ask an intelligent, rational and on topic question I will respond. But not to your normal misdirection, smoke blowing questions. Or maybe I should just wait until you begin answering questions. OK?

Once again demonstrating why they call you Crabtown"boy" and not Crabtownman.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Once again demonstrating why they call you Crabtown"boy" and not Crabtownman.

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And you continue to prove the point made in the OP. Sad that is it, but so true. No thinking. No rationality. Just an off topic remark aimed insulting, but not in adding anything to the topic.

 

[Revmitchell]

So if someone does not agree with the op the poster of the op will just make adhominem personal attacks. I think all posts need some rationalism and kindness.

I do not see that any response in this thread deserves such personal attacks. People will disagree and if we cannot deal with that then maybe we should refrain from posting.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So if someone does not agree with the op the poster of the op will just make adhominem personal attacks. I think all posts need some rationalism and kindness.

No, that is not the thought. If you disagree then disagree intelligently.

I do not see that any response in this thread deserves such personal attacks. People will disagree and if we cannot deal with that then maybe we should refrain from posting.

Your simply replies only go to prove the point of the thread on anti-intellectualism.

Then reply with intelligence and not with simple one-line quips that add absolutely nothing to the thread. Try writing an entire paragraph or two that says something. Thanks.