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The Swift Boating of Cindy Sheehan

carpro

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Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by carpro:
I'd say Media Matters bought into the fullblown media war to get Kerry elected.

Too bad.

The truth won out.
That certainly was a foolish statement, even for you carpro. Perhaps you can show us where they endorsed John Kerry.

Well, come on, carpro: refute the charges at MediaMatters. It shouldn't be that hard, since the "truth won out."

If you are going to make a charge, I hope you are ready to back it up.

Regards,
BiR
</font>[/QUOTE]I believe the Swiftboaters told the truth and I know Kerry is a liar.

I'm not going to try to prove either one. It's an old battle and I'm not going over that territory again.

You won't change your mind and I can guarantee you I won't change mine.
 

Baptist in Richmond

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Originally posted by carpro:
I believe the Swiftboaters told the truth and I know Kerry is a liar.
That is interesting, because I agree with President Bush - that John Kerry served his country proudly. I also believe that the SwiftVets were LYING, as demonstrated by the folks at Media Matters. In fact, I even endured the torture of reading that pathetic book.

I'm not going to try to prove either one. It's an old battle and I'm not going over that territory again.
Then may I suggest, as your brother in Christ, that you refrain from making such foolish statements if you are not going to back them up? That doesn't give you credibility.....

You won't change your mind and I can guarantee you I won't change mine.
To quote Hannity, I guess you will just "drink the kool aid."

Regards to you,
BiR
 
Sheehan and cohorts are wrong. She is shaming her son's memory and the memory of all brave men and women who have ever died in the service of our country. Kerry and the Swiftboaters have nothing to do with this. She is simply garnering as much publicity as possible to further her own political agenda. The woman is to be pitied as a dupe of the far left, or she is to be pitied for her callousness. Your choice.
 

carpro

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Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
I'm not going to try to prove either one. It's an old battle and I'm not going over that territory again.
Then may I suggest, as your brother in Christ, that you refrain from making such foolish statements if you are not going to back them up? That doesn't give you credibility.....

Regards to you,
BiR
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Your suggestion is noted and
duly ignored, as your brother in Christ,of course.
 

Baptist in Richmond

Active Member
Originally posted by carpro:
Your suggestion is noted and
duly ignored, as your brother in Christ,of course.
Sorry to hear that, although it doesn't really surprise me. Rest assured that I will continue to challenge you to provide proof for your claims when warranted.

Have a great evening,
BiR
 

emeraldctyangel

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Sounds very Jane Fonda.

Some of you couldnt stick to the original topic if this were the 3M factory and we all ate a jar of paste for lunch.

I think if Sheehan were smarter and not quite so caught up in the media limelight, she prob would have let her son tell the President via his letters. Perhaps there isnt anything in the letters (or any letters at all, some of us dont write much) to support her position.
 

carpro

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Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by carpro:
Your suggestion is noted and
duly ignored, as your brother in Christ,of course.
Sorry to hear that, although it doesn't really surprise me. Rest assured that I will continue to challenge you to provide proof for your claims when warranted.

Have a great evening,
BiR
</font>[/QUOTE]Your challenges worry me not at all.
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http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/18/3387/3.html
 

carpro

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Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Daisy:
We didn't lose 2000 - it was stolen! We wuz robbed! &lt;*insert crying baby img here*&gt;
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</font>[/QUOTE]Cute and appropriate.
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ballfan

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As long as elections are being rehashed.

The liberal icon John Kennedy stole the 1960 election. Nixon would have won except for massive voter fraud in Cook county, Ill.
 

Mike McK

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Originally posted by Daisy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Sheehan
By Frank Rich The New York Times

MONDAY, AUGUST 22, 2005

NEW YORK Cindy Sheehan couldn't have picked a more apt date to begin the vigil that ambushed a president: Aug. 6 was the fourth anniversary of that fateful 2001 vacation day in Crawford, Texas, when George W. Bush responded to an intelligence briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" by going fishing.

&lt;snip&gt;

Once Sheehan could no longer be ignored, the Swift Boating began. Character assassination is the Karl Rove tactic of choice, eagerly mimicked by his media surrogates, whenever the White House is confronted by a critic who challenges it on matters of war. The Swift Boating is especially vicious if the critic has more battle scars than a president who connived to serve stateside and a vice president who had "other priorities" during Vietnam.

The most prominent smear victims have been Bush political opponents with heroic Vietnam resumes: John McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry. But the list of past targets stretches from the former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke to Specialist Thomas Wilson, the grunt who publicly challenged Donald Rumsfeld about inadequately armored vehicles last December. The assault on the whistle-blower Joseph Wilson - the diplomat described by the first President Bush as "courageous" and "a true American hero" for confronting Saddam Hussein to save American hostages in 1991 - was so toxic it may yet send its perpetrators to jail.

True to form, the attack on Cindy Sheehan surfaced early on Fox News, where she was immediately labeled a "crackpot" by Fred Barnes.
The right-wing blogosphere quickly spread tales of her divorce, her angry Republican in-laws, her supposed political flip-flops, her incendiary sloganeering and her association with known ticket-stub-carrying attendees of "Fahrenheit 9/11." Rush Limbaugh went so far as to declare that Sheehan's "story is nothing more than forged documents - there's nothing about it that's real."

But this time the Swift Boating failed, utterly, and that failure is yet another revealing historical marker in this summer's collapse of political support for the Iraq war.
When the Bush mob attacks critics like Sheehan, its highest priority is to change the subject. If we talk about Richard Clarke's character, then we stop talking about the administration's pre-9/11 inattentiveness to terrorism. If Thomas Wilson is trashed as an insubordinate plant of the "liberal media," we forget the Pentagon's abysmal failure to give our troops adequate armor. If we focus on Valerie Plame, Joseph Wilson's wife, we lose the big picture of how the administration twisted intelligence to gin up the threat of Saddam's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.

The hope this time was that we would change the subject to Cindy Sheehan's "wacko" rhetoric and the opportunistic left-wing groups that have attached themselves to her like barnacles. That way we would forget about her dead son. But if much of the 24/7 media has taken the bait, much of the public has not.

&lt;snip&gt;

Cindy Sheehan's bashers, you'll notice, almost never tell her son's story.

They are afraid to go there because this young man's life and death encapsulate not just the noble intentions of those who went to fight this war but also the hubris, incompetence and recklessness of those who gave the marching orders.

Specialist Sheehan was both literally and figuratively an Eagle Scout: a church group leader and honor student whose desire to serve his country drove him to enlist before 9/11, in 2000. He died with six other soldiers on a rescue mission in Sadr City on April 4, 2004, at the age of 24, the week after four American security workers had been mutilated in Fallujah and two weeks after he arrived in Iraq. This was almost a year after the president had declared the end of "major combat operations" from the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln.

&lt;snip&gt;

Casey Sheehan's death in Iraq could not be more representative of the war's mismanagement and failure, but it is hardly singular.

Another mother who has journeyed to Crawford, Celeste Zappala, wrote last Sunday in New York's Daily News of how her son, Sergeant Sherwood Baker, was also killed in April 2004 - in Baghdad, where he was providing security for the Iraq Survey Group, which was charged with looking for WMDs "well beyond the admission by David Kay that they didn't exist."

&lt;snip&gt;
Link to Complete Article
At last, the MSM strikes back. </font>[/QUOTE]So, is this the same New York Times that had to fire several reporters and three editors for printing fabricated stories?

As for "Swiftboating", good!

The Swift Boat Veterans were a group of men who served with John Kerry during his 3 1/2 month tour of Vietnam and who had been slandered by him.

No longer able to sit back and watch the lies he was telling about them and about their comrades who gave their lives in that noble war, they spoke up to set the record straight.

Thank God there are people who are willing to stand up now in the spirit of the SBV and set the record straight.

By the way, Glenn Beck reports that a group similar to the SBV is now being formed by veterans of this war to set the record straight about the lies that have been told about them.

I can't wait.
 

Mike McK

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Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Daisy:
We didn't lose 2000 - it was stolen! We wuz robbed! &lt;*insert crying baby img here*&gt;
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</font>[/QUOTE]Excellent.

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that an organization called "MoveOn" can't force itself to move on?
 

Mike McK

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BiR,

You know, I really enjoy your posts and I have a lot of respect for you, personally, but everybody who has called you out is right.

If you're going to make these accusations, you really do need to back it up.

I disagree with President Bush. I believe he was just trying to be diplomatic.

If he had served his country proudly, then why did he have himself shipped out after just a few months?

Why did he come back only to stab the men he had just served with in the back?
 

carpro

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Originally posted by ballfan:
As long as elections are being rehashed.

The liberal icon John Kennedy stole the 1960 election. Nixon would have won except for massive voter fraud in Cook county, Ill.
Democrats have a hard time remembering that one.

I find it ironic that Kennedy is a liberal icon. He wasn't really very liberal at all.

When he suggested that one should ask what they could do for their country instead of what their country could do for them, he left the liberal ranks for certain.
 

Mike McK

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Originally posted by carpro:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ballfan:
As long as elections are being rehashed.

The liberal icon John Kennedy stole the 1960 election. Nixon would have won except for massive voter fraud in Cook county, Ill.
Democrats have a hard time remembering that one.

I find it ironic that Kennedy is a liberal icon. He wasn't really very liberal at all.

When he suggested that one should ask what they could do for their country instead of what their country could do for them, he left the liberal ranks for certain.
</font>[/QUOTE]Not only that, he was ((hold onto your hats, libs)) a Supply-Sider!
 
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