24 | even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Ro 9 |
28 | Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. Gal 4 |
Assuming you are trying to claim that the term Israel can include Gentiles, I have answered this in my previous posts,
here and
here. Repeating arguments after they've been addressed is a logical fallacy.
Even the passage
@canadyjd used,
they are not all Israel, who are of Israel (Romans 9:6), betrays his point, since Paul is clearly talking about one group of Israel as having came from the other group of physical Israelites. This is my argument, as shown in the links I have provided above.
Also, the passages you are using,
@kyredneck , are ripped out of their context and don't prove what you want them to. Paul is clearly not talking about Israel in Romans 9:24. In verse 21 he clearly talks about two different types of creations. He talks about the Gentiles as is clear from his quotations on verses 22 to 26, then he clearly switches objects in verse 27, "
Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: ..." (NIV). The distinction is seen very clearly at the end of the chapter too, which I have already pointed out in my previous post.
Rom 9 NIV
30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal.
If you're trying to claim that Paul used the terms "the Gentiles" and "Israel" interchangeably, Romans 9 would be the last place one should reference.
In Galatians 4:28, you have again ripped this out of context and ignored very clear statements from Paul that go directly against your argument about the Gentiles and Israel being interchangeable terms.
Galatians 4 NIV
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law [i.e., Covenant Theologians and those who think "Israel" and the "Church" are the same terms], are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:
“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”
28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Paul clearly states that the Church is separate from Israel in verses 24 to 26. And in case you wanted to claim that Israel and the Church have the same inheritance, verses 29 to 31 further clarifies they don't have the same inheritance.
