-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
The three different deaths to death.
- Thread starter 37818
- Start date
You forgot one
Does being dead in our sins mean we cannot seek God or trust in Christ? Nope
Does God being able to kill the human body mean He can kill (terminate the existence of) the soul in Gehenna? You bet.
Does the fact that the fire in the Lake of Fire is eternal mean those tossed into it never die (cease to exist)? Nope
Thus during our physical lives, we start out spiritually dead, i.e. we were made sinners, and are condemned already to Hades and Gehenna. Some, the few who find the narrow path that leads to life, God saves and makes alive together with Christ.
When humans physically die, we pass from having the opportunity to be saved, into sure and certain judgment for the unsaved, and spiritual existence in heaven for the saved.
At Christ's second coming, the physical bodies of the saved human spirits will be united with their redeemed and glorified physical bodies, and will join Christ in the air.
One thousand years later, the spirits of the lost will be united their their bodies and will face the great white throne judgement and their names not being found in the Lamb's book of life, will to tossed into the Lake of Fire where they will suffer eternal punishment.
Does God being able to kill the human body mean He can kill (terminate the existence of) the soul in Gehenna? You bet.
Does the fact that the fire in the Lake of Fire is eternal mean those tossed into it never die (cease to exist)? Nope
Thus during our physical lives, we start out spiritually dead, i.e. we were made sinners, and are condemned already to Hades and Gehenna. Some, the few who find the narrow path that leads to life, God saves and makes alive together with Christ.
When humans physically die, we pass from having the opportunity to be saved, into sure and certain judgment for the unsaved, and spiritual existence in heaven for the saved.
At Christ's second coming, the physical bodies of the saved human spirits will be united with their redeemed and glorified physical bodies, and will join Christ in the air.
One thousand years later, the spirits of the lost will be united their their bodies and will face the great white throne judgement and their names not being found in the Lamb's book of life, will to tossed into the Lake of Fire where they will suffer eternal punishment.
37818
Well-Known Member
Meaningless.
The death because of sin.
Physical death.
Death of the soul. (Eternal)
And what never dies. (One's worm in eternal death also called the second death.)
post #3 said:
37818
Well-Known Member
The Scripture does not refer to a "first" death by such a title. The second death is the death of both the body and soul. Where the person's worm never dies.
Yet another effort to claim the opposite of what is found in scripture. Scripture says the fire is eternal and you wrongly claim the suffering is eternal. No how it reads.
Commentary on Isaiah 66:24
Those who are slain in that battle are thought of as filling the valleys round about Jerusalem, especially the valley of Jehoshaphat (“Jehovah judges “), devoured by worms, or given to the flames. Taken strictly, therefore, the words do not speak of the punishment of the souls of men after death, but of the defeat and destruction upon earth of the enemies of Jehovah.
No matter how many verses you cite, the truth remains, the destructive mechanisms do not cease, i.e. worms and fire, but no mention is made concerning the duration of an individuals total destruction.
Those who are slain in that battle are thought of as filling the valleys round about Jerusalem, especially the valley of Jehoshaphat (“Jehovah judges “), devoured by worms, or given to the flames. Taken strictly, therefore, the words do not speak of the punishment of the souls of men after death, but of the defeat and destruction upon earth of the enemies of Jehovah.
No matter how many verses you cite, the truth remains, the destructive mechanisms do not cease, i.e. worms and fire, but no mention is made concerning the duration of an individuals total destruction.
On and on, one false claim after another. How long does it say the smoke or consequence of their destruction last? Forever and ever. How long does it say they have no rest day and night? Oh, it does not say. Does the prior verse say those tossed into the Lake of fire will be "tormented" with fire and brimstone? You bet. Does scripture say anywhere how long is their torment? Nope, but the consequence, separation from God, constitutes eternal punishment.
37818
Well-Known Member
An interpretation contrary to Jesus' teaching as uniquely recorded by Mark, Mark 9:42-50, ". . . And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another. . . ."
Yet another taint so post, pushing conjecture and adding to scripture. Since when is believing what Jesus says, and not what He did not say, contrary to Jesus's teachings?
How long does it say the smoke or consequence of their destruction last? Forever and ever.
How long does it say they have no rest day and night? Oh, it does not say.
Does the prior verse say those tossed into the Lake of fire will be "tormented" with fire and brimstone? You bet.
Does scripture say anywhere how long is their torment? Nope, but the consequence, separation from God, constitutes eternal punishment.
Note that the disingenuous defenders of destructive doctrines do not answer the 4 questions of post 15.
God's grace of His stated revelation should be sufficient for us, rather than us seeking to add to His grace with our works of speculation and conjecture.
God's grace of His stated revelation should be sufficient for us, rather than us seeking to add to His grace with our works of speculation and conjecture.
Does being dead in our sins mean we cannot seek God or trust in Christ? Nope
Does God being able to kill the human body mean He can kill (terminate the existence of) the soul in Gehenna? You bet.
Does the fact that the fire in the Lake of Fire is eternal mean those tossed into it never die (cease to exist)? Nope
Thus during our physical lives, we start out spiritually dead, i.e. we were made sinners, and are condemned already to Hades and Gehenna. Some, the few who find the narrow path that leads to life, God saves and makes alive together with Christ.
When humans physically die, we pass from having the opportunity to be saved, into sure and certain judgment for the unsaved, and spiritual existence in heaven for the saved.
At Christ's second coming, the physical bodies of the saved human spirits will be united with their redeemed and glorified physical bodies, and will join Christ in the air.
One thousand years later, the spirits of the lost will be united their their bodies and will face the great white throne judgement and their names not being found in the Lamb's book of life, will to tossed into the Lake of Fire where they will suffer eternal punishment.
Does God being able to kill the human body mean He can kill (terminate the existence of) the soul in Gehenna? You bet.
Does the fact that the fire in the Lake of Fire is eternal mean those tossed into it never die (cease to exist)? Nope
Thus during our physical lives, we start out spiritually dead, i.e. we were made sinners, and are condemned already to Hades and Gehenna. Some, the few who find the narrow path that leads to life, God saves and makes alive together with Christ.
When humans physically die, we pass from having the opportunity to be saved, into sure and certain judgment for the unsaved, and spiritual existence in heaven for the saved.
At Christ's second coming, the physical bodies of the saved human spirits will be united with their redeemed and glorified physical bodies, and will join Christ in the air.
One thousand years later, the spirits of the lost will be united their their bodies and will face the great white throne judgement and their names not being found in the Lamb's book of life, will to tossed into the Lake of Fire where they will suffer eternal punishment.
Now this poster advocates Annihilationism, and atheism, over acknowledging God's word.