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The three different deaths to death.
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37818
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Post #15, the 4 questions.
When what He did say is denied.
He gives his answer.
He denies "no rest day and night" IS how long the no rest will be.
He admits.
His 5th question. He denies eternal torment. Now we know God is omnipresent. And ". . . shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: . . .".
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37818
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We are all dead because of sin.
But we have eternal life in Christ. 1 John 5:9-13.
The perishing will have both their body and soul die in the second death. What never dies is the person's worm. So the perishing will be in torment forever.
Annihilationism believes the torment comes to an end.
But we have eternal life in Christ. 1 John 5:9-13.
The perishing will have both their body and soul die in the second death. What never dies is the person's worm. So the perishing will be in torment forever.
Annihilationism believes the torment comes to an end.
The final death is not called the third death, and a second death naturally implies a first.
37818
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The second death is both physical and the soul. And the soul does not die until the second death.
Before physical death and salvation we are said to be dead, Ephesians 2:1.
There is the issue of the death of Adam and Eve per Genesis 2:17 and Genesis 3:4.
There are only the two physical deaths.
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LOL, here is his quote:
Annihilationism is no better than the offer of atheism for the lost.
And here is my quote:
Now this poster advocates Annihilationism, and atheism, over acknowledging God's word.
Did the poster acknowledge God's word does not specify the duration of the torment? No Siree Bob!!
Van said: ↑
How long does it say they have no rest day and night? Oh, it does not say.
He denies "no rest day and night" IS how long the no rest will be.
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Yes your statement is false. But the fact you add to scripture what is not stated is true.
LOL, here is his quote:
Annihilationism is no better than the offer of atheism for the lost.
And here is my quote:
Now this poster advocates Annihilationism, and atheism, over acknowledging God's word.
Did the poster acknowledge God's word does not specify the duration of the torment? No Siree Bob!!
Van said: ↑
How long does it say they have no rest day and night? Oh, it does not say.
37818 says "no rest day and night" IS how long the no rest will be.
Here he claims that no rest day and night tells you how long the days and nights last? Thus he offers nonsense and claims his addition is the word of God.
37818
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No rest day or night does not matter as to their lenghts! No rest is not regarding the lengths of day or night.Yes your statement is false. But the fact you add to scripture what is not stated is true.
LOL, here is his quote:
Annihilationism is no better than the offer of atheism for the lost.
And here is my quote:
Now this poster advocates Annihilationism, and atheism, over acknowledging God's word.
Did the poster acknowledge God's word does not specify the duration of the torment? No Siree Bob!!
Van said: ↑
How long does it say they have no rest day and night? Oh, it does not say.
37818 says "no rest day and night" IS how long the no rest will be.
Here he claims that no rest day and night tells you how long the days and nights last? Thus he offers nonsense and claims his addition is the word of God.
". . . they have no rest day nor night, . . ."
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Yet another absurdity offered, i.e. no rest does not refer to during those days and nights, but to eternity? Talk about nonsense!
Rev 20:10 NASB
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 14:11
“And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
See the difference, one verse tells us the duration and one verse does not!!!! Supposing a duration for the one that does not is simply adding to scripture, a no no.
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 14:11
“And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
See the difference, one verse tells us the duration and one verse does not!!!! Supposing a duration for the one that does not is simply adding to scripture, a no no.
37818
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Question? Do you suppose "they have no rest" can come to an end? I do not.Rev 20:10 NASB
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 14:11
“And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
See the difference, one verse tells us the duration and one verse does not!!!! Supposing a duration for the one that does not is simply adding to scripture, a no no.
You can suppose till the cows come home, if you cannot see you are adding to scripture, there is nothing more I can say.
For since by man (the) death, by Man also the resurrection of the dead.
and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,
then -- the end [?], when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power -- for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet --
the last enemy is done away -- [the] death;
Exactly when and how will that in bold be accomplished?
? The Death ?
and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'
and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,
then -- the end [?], when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power -- for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet --
the last enemy is done away -- [the] death;
Exactly when and how will that in bold be accomplished?
? The Death ?
and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'