The truth is the truth

[Silverhair]

Stop wasting time addressing your mind-reading conclusions about me, and start addressing what I said.

Mr Trump did not say He would put tariffs on, he said he "may" put tariffs on. So your claims were material false statements

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See it as you like Van. You are bent on defending what he says. So be it.

I am not the one that will have to pay for the increased cost of goods coming into the US due to his tariffs contrary to what he thinks.

By the way Van not everything is about you, you are starting to sound paranoid.

 

[Conan]

Actually have to disagree on the script part.

Does he have hawkish people around him, yes. But it is Trum* that is all over the place in his comments. He has a huge ego and Putin has played him like a fiddle. And he may be being played by some inside his own inner circle for all we know.

When he continues to say Putin want's peace it just shows that he is being played.

Trump tried to kill Putin a week or two ago. They were talking on the phone and Trump got off. Twenty minutes later there was a drone swarm at Putins residence. The Russians are no longer fooled by Trump. Trump lied to the American People and said he would end the war in Ukraine. But he has kept it going. Trump has fooled his supporters and lied to the Russians.

 

[Van]

See it as you like Van. You are bent on defending what he says. So be it.

I am not the one that will have to pay for the increased cost of goods coming into the US due to his tariffs contrary to what he thinks.

By the way Van not everything is about you, you are starting to sound paranoid.

More addressing me with no acknowledgement of your false statements. Go figure

1) Only those with infantile minds claim to know the unstated thoughts of another.

2) Yes, I want the truth, but it seems you can't handle the truth.

3) Our manufacturing base has been decimated, so we already have "paid the price" of the Democrat's economic destruction plan known as NAFTA. Just who builds ships, and makes medicines? Who killed more than 1 million Americans with an "accident" at a biological weapons lab?

 

[Silverhair]

More addressing me with no acknowledgement of your false statements. Go figure

1) Only those with infantile minds claim to know the unstated thoughts of another.

2) Yes, I want the truth, but it seems you can't handle the truth.

3) Our manufacturing base has been decimated, so we already have "paid the price" of the Democrat's economic destruction plan known as NAFTA. Just who builds ships, and makes medicines? Who killed more than 1 million Americans with an "accident" at a biological weapons lab?

Van you are rambling now.

You can believe what you want Van.

When you consider how often he has reversed course on things it has to make you wonder who is pulling his strings.

Trum* has shown total disregard to law when it does not suit him so think what you want about what he says.

 

[Charlie24]

Greenland has said NO over and over or do you not know that?

Canada's position as stated by Carney is that Greenland will decide what Greenland will do and we will support that choice. That's Canada's foreign policy re Greenland.

The US view is that Greenland has to do what he wants either the easy way or the hard way.

Why do you think it is acceptable for the US to just demand that another sovereign country become part of the US?

From what I understand Greenland is a strategic location and China is trying the buy their way to a presence there.

Trump is saying, nope, that ain't gonna happen. He will do what he needs to do to keep communist China from gaining that ground.

 

[Silverhair]

From what I understand Greenland is a strategic location and China is trying the buy their way to a presence there.

Trump is saying, nope, that ain't gonna happen. He will do what he needs to do to keep communist China from gaining that ground.

Where did you hear that China was trying to buy their way into Greenland?

Second why does he think he can tell another sovereign nation what they can or cannot do?

If he does not want China in Greenland then invest not invade.

 

[Charlie24]

Where did you hear that China was trying to buy their way into Greenland?

Second why does he think he can tell another sovereign nation what they can or cannot do?

If he does not want China in Greenland then invest not invade.

I saw it on the news. China has been negotiating deals with Greenland for some time now and reached a point that Trump is saying NO.

He sent envoys again to Greenland yesterday to work out a deal but Greenland is being feisty about it.

It's up in the air and Trump is making his usual threats, and no one has reason to doubt he will do exactly what he says he will do.

 

[Charlie24]

I saw it on the news. China has been negotiating deals with Greenland for some time now and reached a point that Trump is saying NO.

He sent envoys again to Greenland yesterday to work out a deal but Greenland is being feisty about it.

It's up in the air and Trump is making his usual threats, and no one has reason to doubt he will do exactly what he says he will do.

Another thing, Canada is making several deals with communist China and not just oil.

They better be careful how that works out or the hammer will find a way to visit them.

 

[Silverhair]

I saw it on the news. China has been negotiating deals with Greenland for some time now and reached a point that Trump is saying NO.

He sent envoys again to Greenland yesterday to work out a deal but Greenland is being feisty about it.

It's up in the air and Trump is making his usual threats, and no one has reason to doubt he will do exactly what he says he will do.

Again I ask who does he think that he is that he can tell a sovereign nation what they can and cannot do?

If he is so determined that China should not be allowed too invest then make a better investment offer.

By feisty do you mean just saying NO. Greenland has told him over and over they do not want to be part of the US.

If you mean that he will invade another sovereign nation then you have to question the sanity of the man.

And this is the man that could not understand why he did not get the Nobel Peace Prize.

The cognitive dissonance of that man is beyond belief.

Should we be expecting him to invade Canada as we have made trade deals with China and Qatar?

 

[Charlie24]

Again I ask who does he think that he is that he can tell a sovereign nation what they can and cannot do?

If he is so determined that China should not be allowed too invest then make a better investment offer.

By feisty do you mean just saying NO. Greenland has told him over and over they do not want to be part of the US.

If you mean that he will invade another sovereign nation then you have to question the sanity of the man.

And this is the man that could not understand why he did not get the Nobel Peace Prize.

The cognitive dissonance of that man is beyond belief.

Should we be expecting him to invade Canada as we have made trade deals with China and Qatar?

He's the leader of the free world, fighting the advances of communist China to take this world.

Like him or not, as an American he has my endorsement to keep the free world free.

 

[Conan]

He's the leader of the free world, fighting the advances of communist China to take this world.

Like him or not, as an American he has my endorsement to keep the free world free.

It has nothing to do with keeping the free world free. The ice has melted to the degree there are brand new Shipping lanes in the Artic Ocean. Russia and China are going to use those sea lanes and they have the right to. China can and is selling their goods all over the world opening new markets. Trump cant compete fairly so he, just like Biden before him is getting ready for war on China, against their shipping. We are murders to do such things, and as Christians we cant go along with murder because we don't want to compete fairly. In other words the billionaires would have to lose profit to compete fairly.

 

[Charlie24]

It has nothing to do with keeping the free world free. The ice has melted to the degree there are brand new Shipping lanes in the Artic Ocean. Russia and China are going to use those sea lanes and they have the right to. China can and is selling their goods all over the world opening new markets. Trump cant compete fairly so he, just like Biden before him is getting ready for war on China, against their shipping. We are murders to do such things, and as Christians we cant go along with murder because we don't want to compete fairly. In other words the billionaires would have to lose profit to compete fairly.

I don't think for one minute that it's about murder for you, Conan.

It's about politics, and it's not going your way.

 

[Conan]

I don't think for one minute that it's about murder for you, Conan.

It's about politics, and it's not going your way.

That's where you are wrong. I used to be the biggest Trump fan out there. Hard core Republican for Trump. Then I found out the evil we did around the world for the billionaires. That's whom Trump Serves, the Billionaires class. And they don't believe in God, and they do murder and enslave and cause starvation and the collapse of other countries economies so they can gain huge profit

 

[Charlie24]

That's where you are wrong. I used to be the biggest Trump fan out there. Hard core Republican for Trump. Then I found out the evil we did around the world for the billionaires. That's whom Trump Serves, the Billionaires class. And they don't believe in God, and they do murder and enslave and cause starvation and the collapse of other countries economies so they can gain huge profit

I'll take the billionaire slavery over communist China's slavery every time.

That's what we're facing, so pick your own medicine.

Meanwhile let the leader of the free world do his job.

 

[Charlie24]

I'll take the billionaire slavery over communist China's slavery every time.

That's what we're facing, so pick your own medicine.

Meanwhile let the leader of the free world do his job.

@Conan

There is a spiritual warfare taking place for the USA. It's the only thing standing in the way of Satan's attempt to take this world.

What will happen in the future I don't know, but I do know that the USA will be taken out of it's place one way or another for the anti-Christ to make his bid for the world.

Which side are you on, Conan?

 

[Silverhair]

He's the leader of the free world, fighting the advances of communist China to take this world.

Like him or not, as an American he has my endorsement to keep the free world free.

Leadership is earned, it is not a given. Trum* has effectively stepped away from that position through his erratic behaviour.

I know your leader has made claims to doing many things that he has not done.

If you want to follow him that is your choice.

 

[Silverhair]

More addressing me with no acknowledgement of your false statements. Go figure

1) Only those with infantile minds claim to know the unstated thoughts of another.

2) Yes, I want the truth, but it seems you can't handle the truth.

3) Our manufacturing base has been decimated, so we already have "paid the price" of the Democrat's economic destruction plan known as NAFTA. Just who builds ships, and makes medicines? Who killed more than 1 million Americans with an "accident" at a biological weapons lab?

Van read this and realize that your view is wrong.

On his Truth Social platform, the President declared that, from February 1, the US would impose a 10 per cent tariff on all exports from Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and the UK – increasing it to 25 per cent in June.
'This tariff will be due and payable until such time as a deal is reached for the complete and total purchase of Greenland.'

The president then introduced a new wrinkle to his standoff with longtime European allies, linking Greenland to his failure to win the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize last year in a text message Sunday to Norway’s prime minister, Jonas Gahr Støre. The Norwegian leader released his text message exchange with Trump under Norway's public disclosure laws, his press office said.
“Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America,” Trump said in the message, which was first reported by PBS and confirmed as accurate in a statement by the Norwegian prime minister.
Norway was one of the countries hit with the new tariffs, which would kick in Feb. 1, according to a post he wrote on his social media platform.

In a statement Monday, Støre said, "Norway’s position on Greenland is clear. Greenland is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark, and Norway fully supports the Kingdom of Denmark on this matter."

 

[JonC]

He is a tad over the top.What he does id sow chaos.

He has made the US into an untrustable nation.

For those in the US he may look like he has done some good but from out here he is just a disaster waiting to happen.

He is over the top.

He likes WWE, and in many ways he reminds me of a WWE character.

The US was already "untrustable". Look at how we were viewed under Biden. With Trump the problem is not "untrustable" but instead an apprehension about what he might do. Maybe "unstable" would be a better word.

But when I look back at other issues (crazy talk about tariffs, about the border, the economy, Venezuela, Iran, Gaza, etc) all of that actually worked out very well. That makes it more difficult to jump on the bandwagon against the current issue.

When I look back at other issues Trump appears smarter than his speech at the time leads me to believe.

I was very critical with his talk against Panama, with Mexico and tariffs, with Iran, with the Venezuela ships. But then, looking back, I was impressed with the results.

It does make it so that we do know exactly how he is trying to accomplish his agendas. So much is smoke and mirrors to accomplish goals. It is hard to know how he is working, what to take seriously and what to take with a grain of salt. And that is instability.

The counter argument is that Trump deliberately uses thus instability to his advantage, caring less about perception and more about end results.

I cannot say I am a Trump fan. Obviously I support our President insofar as we are commanded. I am a Christian, and would not slander the POTUS as so many do (changing "Biden" or "Trump", "let's go Brandon" or "no kings day"). But with politics I am an observer, not a participant.

It is interesting. Ultimately all we can judge by (politically) is in hindsight. So far, in hindsight, Trump is doing much better than I had anticipated. At any present time, however, he seems a couple cans short of a six pack.

 

[Charlie24]

Leadership is earned, it is not a given. Trum* has effectively stepped away from that position through his erratic behaviour.

I know your leader has made claims to doing many things that he has not done.

If you want to follow him that is your choice.

I can understand your position especially since you're a Canadian.

I hope you can understand mine, a conservative American that believes in peace through strength by whatever means he deems necessary.

 

[Silverhair]

I can understand your position especially since you're a Canadian.

I hope you can understand mine, a conservative American that believes in peace through strength by whatever means he deems necessary.

I can understand your position up to "by whatever means he deems necessary."

I believe that you have to be ready to defend your freedom. But that does not include invading another country.