You are right. God did it like He said.The issue is when Christians step beyond the bounds of scripture and call it truth when in reality it is nothing more than their lack of knowledge and calling it truth. Humility goes a long ways when it comes to these things. I have failed to see anyone won to Christ by arrogance and knowledge, but rather humility and knowledge. God's ways are not our ways and I think we would do well to remember that rather than trying to explain everything with our finite rationalistic minds.
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The Video That Ended a Career
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saturneptune
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What makes you think that your idea has any better chance of being correct than the six twenty four hour days? God created everything. (thought you would have picked that up with your endless posts about seminaries) He created the universe. He also created the evidence that you are using or depending on. He also created the mind of every human being. So why would you put any more credence in evidence or theories that require some besides a 24 hour day? Maybe those of us who believe in a young earth have it all wrong, but I doubt it. Where is everybody getting the 24 hour idea? Maybe from the fact that every day since the Creation 24 hours has passed. There is no credibility in the argument based on the fact that on the first day, there was no sun or moon, or light for that matter, to measure the 24 hour days.
The best scientific minds of the day were created by the Lord. They are finite as you say. So why would they be any better or worse than the Christian finite mind indwelt by the Holy Spirit? By the way, how long did you study astrophysics? Did you take those courses at one of the SBC seminaries?
Why ever name a day as always meaning 24 hours when scripture calls it night and day? Why not stick to what scripture calls it, rather than speculate?
saturneptune
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Why, because today, the day is 24 hours. Why do you base it not being 24 hours on finite minds that are most likely not indwelt with the Holy Spirit? What are you basing something other than 24 hours on, the scientist finite mind or yours? Or, since you seem to want to think outside the Scriptural box of being literal, did the thought ever cross your mind, since you like odd senarios, that time did not even exist, so any amount of time you come out with is a mute point? How much time is in eternity, by the way?
If we saw Adam on the day he was created we would think he was around 20-30 years perhaps. The Reality is He was ONLY one day old.......same with the Universe. God made this with maturaty built into it. We know that all creation groans because of the fall of mankind, it remains under God's curse waiting for the redemption of the children of God "Romans 8:22". That tells me somethings are not running "speed of light?" like it was originally as God intended. Here is a good blog for creation vs evolution form a respected bible teacher John MacArthur. http://www.gty.org/Blog/B100411
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Why would God want to fool people with an appearance of age?
The earth looks old and mature because it is.
If you want to believe the earth is flat, or that the sun revolves around the earth, or that the earth is only 6000 years old, you are welcome to your opinion.
To broaden your mind a bit, try reading "Evolutionary Creation: A Christian approach to evolution" by Denis Lamoureux or "Chance or Purpose?" by Christoph von Schonborn. There is also "The Lost World of Genesis One: Ancient Cosmology and the Origins Debate" by John H. Walton. At least get the arguments for the other side.
I was raised as a Fundamentalist. I know all the arguments for a young earth. I can give them to you. But now that I am an adult, I find that there is a lot of information that I was not told that points to an old earth. Information based on fact and things that I can observe with my own eyes. Belief in an old earth does not shake my faith in God as Creator one bit, but makes me marvel at His creation even more.
Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.
Job 38:5 Who determined its measurements--surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:8 "Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb,
Job 38:9 when I made clouds its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band,
Job 38:10 and prescribed limits for it and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11 and said, 'Thus far shall you come, and no farther, and here shall your proud waves be stayed'?
Job 38:12 "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place,
Job 38:13 that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it?
Job 38:14 It is changed like clay under the seal, and its features stand out like a garment.
Job 38:15 From the wicked their light is withheld, and their uplifted arm is broken.
Job 38:16 "Have you entered into the springs of the sea, or walked in the recesses of the deep?
Job 38:17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you, or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
Job 38:18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth? Declare, if you know all this.
Job 38:19 "Where is the way to the dwelling of light, and where is the place of darkness,
Job 38:20 that you may take it to its territory and that you may discern the paths to its home?
Job 38:21 You know, for you were born then, and the number of your days is great!
Job 38:22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
Job 38:23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war?
Job 38:24 What is the way to the place where the light is distributed, or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth?
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The Old Testement says the Earth was round....not flat. Did you know that?
Did God fool people with the age of Adam? Was Adam created as an infant? Embryo? No. He was created an adult man. What is the difference?
The problem with your view is that you have to go outside of the bible to get to it. If you read the bible and exclude the theories of fallible man, you will come to the conclusion that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, because that is exactly what God's word says.
Why would you think God is trying to fool people with an appearance of age? If you are trying to fool someone, you don't tell them what you are doing. But in Genesis, God plainly tells us that he created things mature. So rather than fooling people with an appearance of age, God told us he created with an appearance of age.
The problem for you and those like you is that you really can't deal with the biblical text. It's not enough to call it a framework, or poetry (which is absurd on its face). The Bible makes some very clear statements about creation that are either true or they are not. Yet many are using the constantly changing views of science to dispute the Bible.
Think about history. Think of how often the scientific declarations have changed as new evidence comes out. Some people say that is a good thing; and it is in some ways. But it shows the foolishness of those who made firm declarations about things who are now eating their words because what they said wasn't true. Yet they want us to believe them this time because, "We are serious this time. We know we missed it last time. And the time before. And the time before that. But this time, trust us. We know what we are talking about."
And people fall for it like some age-old prank that brings laughs to people who are tricked yet again.
Actually, if you are familiar with the scientific issues, you know well that there are considerable problems with the dating schemes used, so much so that not even the evolutionists agree on it. And the earth "looks old and mature" because God created a mature earth. If we read Genesis and take it seriously, we should expect an appearance of age.
A flat earth, a geo-centric universe, and a a young earth (not necessarily 6,000 years old) are very different arguments. If you know the arguments for YEC, then you know that the evidence for a young earth is very clear and in some ways, insurmountable. The OEC have resorted to simply ignoring the evidence for a young earth because they can't answer it.
We all need to put aside our biases and return to actual science and actual theology.
A book such as Coming to Grips with Genesis would be a great asset to our understanding. Even if you are on the other side, you have to deal with the issues in this book. Don't put your head in the sand and go on in blissful ignorance. Realize that there is a reason that brilliant people--both theologians and scientists--are rejecting evolutionary theory.
saturneptune
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I have sat and pondered before what goes through the Lord's mind, when He created the universe, He gave any scientist the ability to put these theories forward, He created all the laws of the universe, and then hears, out of the mouths of His creation, a statement that says that God either had no part in Creation, or creation happened with God but different than the Biblical account.
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Peggy, you seem frustrated that posters are asking about walking on water and Jesus coming back from the dead and Lazarus rising from the dead, etc. You ask "why" are they bringing them up.
Dont you see that the reason they are doing that is to try and get you to see something. That being...that you are being logically inconsistant.
You reject the 6 day creation truth because the scientists say different. You have consistently held to that.
And yet scientists will say that nobody can speak do a dead man and the dead man will come back to life. Nobody can walk on water. Nobody can speak to a blind man, and the blind man with recieve sight.
Yet you say you believe those things...in spite of the fact that science says they are impossible.
So....why do you reject the 6 day creation option because of what science science says?
Yes, He created EVERYTHING; absolutely NOTHING evolved. That is a lie of the devil in an effort to deny the omnipotent power of God. God did not need evolution to help Him create anything (not even people). His word tells us just how He did it, and evolution does NOT play a part in creation.
Anyone who holds to evolution or theistic evolution should not be allowed to hold any position in a Bible-believing, Bible-preaching church. They're welcome to come there, get saved, and then God will change their thinking--if that person is open to God's voice and not close-minded. Too often we have our minds made up, and we don't want to hear the facts.
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BTW, if it hasn't been pointed out, he wasn't fired. He resigned, and he has publicly said that he agrees with the school's decision to accept it.
And contrary to the misleading title, this video didn't end his career. His career continues.
Robert Snow
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Can you prove this with scripture?
Again, can you prove, or is it an assumption on your part?
Tom Butler
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How does one explain Exodus 20, where God specifically told Moses that the Israelites should work for six days and rest on the seventh. The basis for that commandment was the six days of creation and God's resting on the 7th.
Are the days in Exodus different from the creation days of Genesis?
Are the days in Exodus different from the creation days of Genesis?
You can't prove the age. But you can certainly prove that God created with maturity simply by reading. He created mature plants and animals that were reproducing, he created celestial bodies that were already giving light on the earth even though they are great distances away.
So your question is plainly answer by Genesis itself. The only question left is if you believe it or not.
Where does scripture ever name a day as having exactly 24 hours?
Gen 1:5, "God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day."
Originally Posted by Robert Snow "Can you prove this with scripture?"
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning," that's time..."God," thats force,"created" that's action, "the heavens" that's space, "and the earth," that's matter.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning," that's time..."God," thats force,"created" that's action, "the heavens" that's space, "and the earth," that's matter.
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Compare that to John 1:1, that is eternity.
saturneptune
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Where does it say it was anything else? I think you have been watching too many episodes of the Twilight Zone.
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