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The Way of the Master Moment throwing dust in the eyes

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Yeshua1

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JonC said:
I have read Comfort' s books before and knew he rejected Paul's doctrine on the nature of the Law, but this is horrible.

Basically it says I was wrong to witness to someone who is now a Christian...Jesus was wrong to call Saul...we are wrong when we share the gospel with the world.

Reminds me of the "anti-missions" movement. You don't want to share the gospel with people God ain't savin' cause that'd be going agin His will.
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Jut how much of the time did paul preach the Law to Gentiles though, as seemed he preach the Cross of Christ and resurrection, not the Law!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Jut how much of the time did paul preach the Law to Gentiles though, as seemed he preach the Cross of Christ and resurrection, not the Law!
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What TWOTM misses is that salvation did come to the Jew first. Those Jesus encountered with the Law were those who considered themselves people of the Law and it was through this Law that they understood God.

It is the worst evangelism program that I have seen - not because of its evangelism but because of its theology. I would not attend a church that encouraged the program.
 
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evangelist6589 said:
No insult it was an ability this form had for a while as there are lots of posts in this thread that have been dumb.
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Exactly. This is a discussion board, and if you are unable to contribute to the discussion or argue against a point, yet decide to label it as "dumb", then wouldn't that not make you even dumber?

If you disagree with my post, then by all means argue your point. I've looked at the post, and it's pretty solid. So take your best shot...unless you are in fact trying to label it as "dumb" because you are unable to argue against it.....and what would that make you? ;)
 
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SovereignGrace said:
Who are 'Febtiles'?
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During the Hasmonean period four sects of Jews arose - the Pharisees, who viewed righteous as a matter of keeping the Law at an individual level; the Sadducees, who focused on ceremonial law; the Essenes who headed for the hills; and the Febtiles who got down and partied.
 
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JonC said:
During the Hasmonean period four sects of Jews arose - the Pharisees, who viewed righteous as a matter of keeping the Law at an individual level; the Sadducees, who focused on ceremonial law; the Essenes who headed for the hills; and the Febtiles who got down and partied.
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True, as they were the sect that worshiped Wonder Woman!
 
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evangelist6589 said:
Dust in the Eyes (pp.166, WOTM Minute devotional).
By Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort

Most don't realize that we as a church have moved far away from Biblical evangelism. Many of today's preachers are merely motivational speakers. They present God as a divine butler. Rarely is there a reference to God's law and the nature of sin. But listen to AW Pink. He said "Without the preaching of the Law the preacher is building a house which will not stand; yea, he is throwing dust in the eyes of the people, bolstering them up in false hope. Until the law is given its proper place in the pulpit, and is preached regularly, plainly, authoritatively, the tide of lawlessness, which has swept over this favored land will continue rising higher and higher. Well may we pray, 'It is time for thee, Lord, to work:for they have made void Thy Law."

There goes another moment gone forever. Go share your faith while you still have time.
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The posting above is part of what drove me to the 1646 First London Confession of Baptists and New Covenant Theology:

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THE preaching of the gospel to the conversion of sinners, is absolutely free; no way requiring as absolutely necessary, any qualifications, preparations, or terrors of the law, or preceding ministry of the law, but only and alone the naked soul, a sinner and ungodly, to receive Christ crucified, dead and buried, and risen again; who is made a prince and a Saviour for such sinners as through the gospel shall be brought to believe on Him.

John 3:14.15.1:12; Isa.55:1; John 7:37; 1 Tim.1:15; Rom.4:5.5:8; Acts 5:30.31,2:36; 1 Cor.1:22,24.
 
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I've seen Comfort and Cameron occasionally in news articles and have no idea what they are. The person quoting them is labeled Baptist, so I thought the Old Baptist confession fit. :)
 
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Hermeneut7 said:
I've seen Comfort and Cameron occasionally in news articles and have no idea what they are. The person quoting them is labeled Baptist, so I thought the Old Baptist confession fit. :)
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It should fit, but there are a lot of baptists who are not Baptists. :D
 
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TCassidy said:
It should fit, but there are a lot of baptists who are not Baptists. :D
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When you get to the gates of Heaven will Christ ask if you were a Baptist or a follower of him? Comfort and Cameron are wisely not Baptists, but... lots of Baptist Churches have used or use WOTM, however probably most of their support comes from non Baptist Churches.
 
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evangelist6589 said:
When you get to the gates of Heaven will Christ ask if you were a Baptist or a follower of him?
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No, He will probably ask if you are a vow breaker, abandoned your wife, divorced her without biblical reason, and planned adultery with another women at the soonest possible moment.
 
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evangelist6589 said:
When you get to the gates of Heaven will Christ ask if you were a Baptist or a follower of him? Comfort and Cameron are wisely not Baptists, but... .
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Of course He will ! You see Baptists will be sent to our own wing of Heaven - since we think - NO since we know, we will be the only ones there!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Except that the practice of paul was not to preach the Law to Febtiles, but to preach Jesus crucified and rose up, as Jesus stated that If he be lifted up, not if the law is!
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Febtiles.....i do not think he was preached to them.:Cautious
 
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evangelist6589 said:
I am WOTM Preferred not WOTM only. When I open air preached on saturday I used Romans, Ecc, and many other passages in the Bible to convict of sin. I mentioned the 10 commandments but I do not agree that its the only way to convict a sinner.
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Did you mention that divorce is a sin when you covered the 7th commandment?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
The work of the Holy Spirit Himself is to convict of sin, thru the preaching of the Cross, not the Law!
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You cannot really preach the cross without explaining its relationship to the broken law.....can You?
What do you say y1.......?
You say;
Just believe in Jesus.....
The person says why?
Then you just say believe he died on a cross...
The person says why?
Do you just say...it is good news...He died on a cross?
You mentioned sin.....
The person says....what is sin?
What do you say now? Sin is a transgression of the .....l_w.....buy a vowel.:Cautious
 
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