The weak foundation of free will

[webdog]

Do I need to throw John 6, 1 Cor. 2, Eph. 2, and Romans 8 at you AGAIN. I'm getting tired of saying the same thing over just because you don't like what the Bible says.

I'm getting tired of you ripping these verses out of context to say what you want them to say because you don't like what the REST of the Bible has to say.
Answer this question please...

If we do not have sin natures... why do we sin?

 

[webdog]

"Strike these people with blindness." Bang goes free will. HaHa!

How can you strike someone who is "dead" (calvinist definition) with blindness or what would the need be?

 

[johnp.]

Hello Tim.

JOhnp I tire of you.

Cool man.

I have shown the absurdity of your theology that loving God is putting Him first...

Tell it to your missus.

...and not meaning hate all others. YOu stand in complete sillyness. And contradicton to scriptures.

No one's perfect.

And I have not said God does not blind, but I have shown that man has choice because God does.

Because God does blind then man has choice? Man has choice otherwise God would not need to blind men? Where's the cut off point?

YOu have been answered many many times over and over again that you are following the teachings of a man. Not God.

You keep telling me that but it is just as easy to answer with scripture as it is to keep telling me that you have answered sufficiently already. Where's yer scripture man?

And the madder you get the more ridiculous you get.

Cool man. There's nothing like a good insult to brighten the day is there?

Step back and take a breath.

Is this a 'pull my finger' type of gag?

Now we are switvhing to Elisa lied. No, you have stated your god is a lair and deciever. It is in your post. You said it now don't cry complicated. Either your god is or isn't.

What do you mean You said it now don't cry complicated.? HaHa! God is Simple I said complicit. Man would have Him stand before their tribunal to stand charged with crimes against humanity. Did you or did you not order the deaths of all the .........ites Fill in the names as you please. Men, women and children were put to the sword by His command.

Elisha asked for a blindness for those who would recognise him so that he could lead them off, like sheep to the slaughter, so they could find mercy. God blinded the minds of those who would recognise Elisha so that Elisha's lie would succeed. This is not your God as you say but He is mine.

No, you have stated your god is a lair and deciever.

You should back your words up with facts not distorted truths. I said God uses lies but Himself says, NU 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (Titus 1:2) How then can I believe God lies when He says He doesn't? He sends delusions though doesn't He? Yes you say but He is not a liar, same as I say.

How can you strike someone who is "dead" (calvinist definition) with blindness or what would the need be?

Elisha asked for a blindness, webdog, for those who would recognise him so that he could lead them off, like sheep to the slaughter, so they could find mercy. God blinded the minds of those who would recognise Elisha so that Elisha's lie would succeed. This is not your God you say? But He is mine.

john.

 

[Timtoolman]

C. H. Spurgeon states in a sermon entitled “The Warrant of Faith” in the Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit:

In our own day certain preachers assure us that a man must be regenerated
before we may bid him believe in Jesus Christ; some degree of a work of grace
in the heart being, in their judgment, the only warrant to believe. This also is false' It takes away a gospel for sinners and offers us a gospel for saints. It is
anything but a ministry of free grace . . . If I am to preach faith in Christ to a
man who is regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved already,
and it is an unnecessary and ridiculous thing for me to preach Christ to him,
and bid him to believe in order to be saved when he is saved already, being
regenerate . . . So, then, I am only to preach faith to those who have it.
Absurd, indeed! Is not this waiting till the man is cured and then bringing him
the medicine? This is preaching Christ to the righteous and not to sinners . . .
Brethren, the command to believe in Christ must be the sinner’s warrant, if
you consider the nature of our commission. How runs it? “Go ye into all the
world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” It ought to run, according to
the other plan, “preach the gospel to every regenerate person, to every
convinced sinner, to every sensible soul.” But it is not so; it is to “every
creature.”

I think sometimes this man is more confused then all calvinist put together.

 

[johnp.]

Hello Tim.

Metropolitan Tabernacle...

It was just down the road from where I lived. Our school had a Christmas service there one year. It appears as a temple and quite impressive. It's opposite the Elephant and Castle pub but wasn't as pretty as the barmaids. Nostalgia.

I think sometimes this man is more confused then all calvinist put together.

I say he ends up in a ditch sometimes but he is the Prince of Preachers and as a man has a tendency to err. If we were all as perfect as you Tim we would all be walking on water. You have much to learn grasshopper. Pope Spurgeon he isn't.

What do you think of the porkies Elisha pulled off?

john.

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by webdog:
If we do not have sin natures... why do we sin?

Because the flesh wars against the Spirit.

IMO, there's a difference between the desires of the flesh and the sin nature (which refers to our pre-salvation fallen state). Before we are saved, we are slaves to sin. That is the sin nature.