The Well and the Water: An Allegory

[Salamander]

The translations made from the sources available at the time and so did the KJV translators because they affirmed his statement.

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HankD

And those sources excluded the ones then available that are known as the Alexandrian, or "corrupt" MSS too.:godisgood:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Please stick to a discussion of the allegory and try to stay off all hobby horses.

Last warning folks. Closure without notice if we can't discuss the allegory.

 

[HankD]

Last warning folks. Closure without notice if we can't discuss the allegory.

Dear C4K, here is an excerpt from the allegory:

Every lover of water was grateful for the Authorized Well, and many continued to enjoy its waters. But true lovers of water were also grateful for every well from which water flowed. They rejoiced in the abundance of water. But they grew exceedingly weary of the Pseudo-Authorities. Only they could not decide what to do about them.

I thought we were addressing exactly the premise of the allegory (unless I am completely misunderstanding the allegory it concerns the "authorized" version the 1611 KJB versus the other wells (not authorized).

I showed a quote where the KJB translators supported the "water" from other "wells".

Perhaps it is not me of whom you are being critical, I'm sorry if that is the case.

Let me answer Salamander's questions and let me know if it is off-base in your estimation and delete it.

When you make a general condemnation, does this also mean that everything "catholic" is then wrong?

Everything Catholic is mostly wrong because their well (the Douay-Rheims/Vulgate) has been polluted.

And then why is it we who are Anabaptists hold so dogmatically to the KJB as the Final Authority, yet so diametrically opposed to most "Anglo-Catholic" beliefs?

Again in the allegory, impure things are found in their well such as the Apocrypha and certain translations of certain verses within their own fountain. Consider the following passage from the Douay:

Douay
Matthew 3:1 And in those days cometh John the Baptist preaching in the desert of Judea.
2 And saying: Do penance: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The doctrine of doing penance IMO is poison in the well.

BTW, first I ever heard of anything "Anglo-Catholic"!

Here is a site which explains what Anglo-Catholic means:

http://www.chnetwork.org/trconv.htm

What we refer as the word of God, the word of Truth, what thus saith the Lord, etc. is the 66 Books that make up the Canon of Scripture found in the KJB, and nothing else in the English language

The original 1611 First edition of the “pure water” contained the Apocrypha.

Personally and according to the allegory, I support every well which is clean.

Here is where the allegory breaks down:
A well is dug in the earth and small particles of soil in the water is the nature of an earthen well.

As long as the water is not diseased then it is clean.

There is only one pure source and it's not an earthen well:

KJV Psalm 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.​

HankD​

 

[Salamander]

Ok, so the allegory is only an alleged misconception of the actual truh concerning the word of God and is completely another example of bias attempting to validate itsself through an imaginatory scheme.

The word of God is the pure well water, unaltered, yet one actually, not allegorically, could possibly pollute.

Additives, false examples of what appears to be pure well water, etc. are not pure well water.

This allegory is a futile attempt which incorporates man's reason, again, to negate the KJB as if it is not "pure well water".

Every lover of water was grateful for the Authorized Well, and many continued to enjoy its waters. But true lovers of water were also grateful for every well from which water flowed. They rejoiced in the abundance of water. But they grew exceedingly weary of the Pseudo-Authorities. Only they could not decide what to do about them.

This excerpt from the allegory is silly. Is it really that "every lover of water" is not truly a lover of water?:laugh:

Also, since the allegory suggests, correctly, there is one "Authorized Well", the indication of any "Pseudo-Authorities" is solely the interpretation of those biased to invent such psuedo-authoritarians in the same scheme mentioned above.

Of mention, it is always weariness what the purest of all well water inflicts upon those who attempt to introduce their concoctions derived from other wells as if they are too, pure.:godisgood:

 

[Salamander]

The original 1611 First edition of the “pure water” contained the Apocrypha.

HankD​

Where in the allegory is this specifically named?

 

[Salamander]

Soon it became prestigious to be seen drinking from the King’s Well. People flocked to the Authorized Well

I know it is the same scheme to cause others to think their arguement is valid to inteject the quote above, but to say that the word of God is allegorically all well water, is the same as the word of God misreperesents the truth, still.

The word of God never belonged to any king except the King of kings. To try and use the allegory also shows this idea: by referring to the Authorized Well as also being the "King's Well", the capitilaztion of the "K" would then mean it is the King of king's Well and those who dug other wells are getting water from another source other than God.:tongue3:

 

[franklinmonroe]

Ok, so the allegory is only an alleged misconception of the actual truh concerning the word of God and is completely another example of bias attempting to validate itsself through an imaginatory scheme.

Imaginatory? That's not a legitimate English word.

 

[EdSutton]

Imaginatory? That's not a legitimate English word.

Gotta' be "a legitimate English word" 'cause Google hits on it ~ 5,230 times. :tonofbricks:

It's unimaginable (~3,710,000 'hits') that this could be imaginary (~18,900,000 'hits'). :thumbs:

Surely imaginatory couldn't be just a figment of someone's imagination (~67,600,000 'hits') could it? :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[Salamander]

Gary Busey, "When you get lost in your imaginatory vagueness your foresight will become a nimble vagrant.":wavey:

Who is it that "legitimizes" a word?

Results 1 - 10 of about 5,650 for imaginatory. (0.18 seconds) And it's growing all the time!:laugh:

Maybe I should have said imaginatoryistic ? Or simply called it imaginatorianism ?

 

[Rippon]

Who is it that "legitimizes" a word?

If it's not in the KJV , does it count as a legit word Sal ?

 

[EdSutton]

If it's not in the KJV , does it count as a legit word Sal ?

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Don't exactly know why, but for some reason this seemed an appropriate response, here.

Ed
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[EdSutton]

OK, I have read both allegorical stories, as well as every post in the thread, up to the time I am typing this.

I get the point of both, I believe.

The first allegory breaks down, IMO, because of the assumption that it is "pure water". No problem, but how pure does pure have to be, in order to be considered pure? No one apparently ever 'tested' this water, either from the Authorized Well, or any of the others, in either story. One can only observe the results. They did not seem to significantly differ, from what I read. Likewise, we apparently have no way to test for absolute purity, in either case, for the water is proving "untestable", in that sense..

Plus, the first story is an allegory at best, so maybe we should not try and build too much technical data, on it.

The second story is, likewise, an allegory. So maybe, we should not try and build too much data on it, either.

Plus, where did the water originate that made its way into the aquifier? Why, guess what? It too, originated from the precipitation that fell onto the snow capped mountains, at a much higher elevation atop the snow capped mountains melted, and as it melted, much ran into the aquifier, apparently.

All of it appears to be life-sustaining water. raying:

Let's all drink! :thumbs:

Ed

 

[Palatka51]

The only allegory is that anyone has ever held back the Water of the Word to anyone in the KJB.

We find its water pure and of the natural origin, ( naturally God for those who would need to inquire) without the defilement found in "city water"/ processed water.:godisgood:

:godisgood: :thumbs:

 

[Salamander]

If it's not in the KJV , does it count as a legit word Sal ?

Just what kind of question is that? Are you trying to say there is no Bible because the word "Bible" isn't found in the KJB?

 

[Salamander]

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Don't exactly know why, but for some reason this seemed an appropriate response, here.

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Of course you don't know why.

 

[Salamander]

OK, I have read both allegorical stories, as well as every post in the thread, up to the time I am typing this.

I get the point of both, I believe.

The first allegory breaks down, IMO, because of the assumption that it is "pure water". No problem, but how pure does pure have to be, in order to be considered pure? No one apparently ever 'tested' this water, either from the Authorized Well, or any of the others, in either story. One can only observe the results. They did not seem to significantly differ, from what I read. Likewise, we apparently have no way to test for absolute purity, in either case, for the water is proving "untestable", in that sense..

Plus, the first story is an allegory at best, so maybe we should not try and build too much technical data, on it.

The second story is, likewise, an allegory. So maybe, we should not try and build too much data on it, either.

Plus, where did the water originate that made its way into the aquifier? Why, guess what? It too, originated from the precipitation that fell onto the snow capped mountains, at a much higher elevation atop the snow capped mountains melted, and as it melted, much ran into the aquifier, apparently.

All of it appears to be life-sustaining water. raying:

Let's all drink! :thumbs:

Ed

I think maybe you forgot what the Bible says about the fountains of the deep.

 

[Salamander]

:godisgood: :thumbs:

I'll take the tag at the end of your post PERSONAL!:applause:

 

[franklinmonroe]

Gary Busey, "When you get lost in your imaginatory vagueness your foresight will become a nimble vagrant."

Yes, but Gary Busey is a simpl... Oh! Now I see the resemblance.

(just a joke) :laugh:

 

[EdSutton]

I think maybe you forgot what the Bible says about the fountains of the deep.

I forgot nothing about "the fountains of the ocean" or the "sources of the watery depths". But they are not particularly relevant to the allegory, as I read them, in the first place.

In the second place, I'd strongly suggest they had to do with water in the ocean, not on a high plain or desert, for I've never heard anyone who suggested "the deep", or "the great deep" as possibly referring to anything else, except for Lk. 8:31 and Rom. 10:17 where considering the context of bringing Christ up friom the dead, makes this KJV rendering seem to be a poor one, and here "the deep" from "την αβυσσον" is better rendered as "the abyss", as most of the other standard versions do, and where even the KJV usually renders "αβυσσος" as "bottomless pit", in most other instances.

In the third place, these "fountains of the deep" as well as the "windows of heaven" were both stopped or closed at the end of the flood, as I read it, according to Gen. 8:2. I don't see anywhere that says either have ever opened up again, in that manner, and in fact, God said he would not destroy the earth again, in that manner. (Gen. 9:11-17) The "windows of heaven" are only again spoken of as "to be opened" to give the blessings to us for faithfulness in Mal. 3:10. Here, Gen. 8:2:

2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; (KJV)
2 The fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven were also stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained. (NKJV)

2 Also (A)the fountains of the deep and the floodgates of the sky were closed, and (B)the rain from the sky was restrained; (NASB)


2 and closed are the fountains of the deep and the net-work of the heavens, and restrained is the shower from the heavens. (YLT)
2 And the fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven were closed, and the pour of rain from heaven was stopped. (DARBY)
2 The sources of the watery depths and the floodgates of the sky were closed, and the rain from the sky stopped. (HCSB)

Ed

 

[Palatka51]

I'll take the tag at the end of your post PERSONAL!:applause:

And it is meant to be personal. :laugh: