The Word became Flesh and dwelt among us ( Jn 1:14)

[Eliyahu]

Did Jesus Christ offer the Sinful Flesh as the Sacrifice to God?

Please answer by Yes or No.

I hope this will clear out many arguments, and therefore please do not avoid this question cowardly.

 

[Eliyahu]

My own belief in that Jesus' Incarnational appearance took on the form of flesh that Adam had before the fall.

Could the Egg of Mary have the form of the flesh that Adam had before the Fall?

It seems that you are betraying your own statements that you have made so far.

What you mentioned so far was that Jesus took the sinful flesh.

Did Adam have the Sinful Flesh before the Fall?

You are betraying yourself !!!

 

[DHK]

Did Jesus Christ offer the Sinful Flesh as the Sacrifice to God?

Please answer by Yes or No.

I hope this will clear out many arguments, and therefore please do not avoid this question cowardly.

Understand:

Flesh in and of itself is not sinful.

Why ask a question that doesn't make sense in the light of the above quote. How can sinful flesh be offered if flesh is not sinful. Are we making sense here??
Please demonstrate (as has been previously asked) that actual flesh is sinful.

 

[Eliyahu]

My own belief in that Jesus' Incarnational appearance took on the form of flesh that Adam had before the fall.

How come you sound like Eliyahu?

That is what Eliyahu all the time claimed.

Jesus Christ was the second Adam, and God enfleshed Him with the same flesh as the Adam had before the FALL Therefore He was sinless and had sinless flesh.

Do you agree? Then I would welcome you !

 

[Eliyahu]

Understand:
Why ask a question that doesn't make sense in the light of the above quote. How can sinful flesh be offered if flesh is not sinful. Are we making sense here??
Please demonstrate (as has been previously asked) that actual flesh is sinful.

Why don't you clearly say Yes or No?

It is very much coward thing if you try to evade the question.

I will give you my answer first.

Jesus didn't offer the Sinful Flesh to God, but Sinless flesh to God as a blemish and spotless Sacrifice.

Now it is your turn. Clearly answer by Yes or NO.

This will end up the argument ALL !

 

[Eliyahu]

Understand:
Why ask a question that doesn't make sense in the light of the above quote. How can sinful flesh be offered if flesh is not sinful. Are we making sense here??
Please demonstrate (as has been previously asked) that actual flesh is sinful.

Who said that Flesh in and of itself is not sinful?

Do you believe that?

Then Apostle Paul was wrong:

Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Eliyahu: Did Jesus Christ offer the Sinful Flesh as the Sacrifice to God?

Please answer by Yes or No.

HP: NO. DHK answered this point blank by stating that no flesh is sinful in and of itself, nor does any Scriptural passage indicate it is. When it states that Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh, it was not speaking of a genetic tie to sin via the flesh in the least, but rather was referring to the race of humans having committed sins were indeed sinful and were indeed in the flesh. Flesh in this sense is simply indicating the whole of humanity as being mortal, and is again in no wise speaking of any genetic tie between sin and flesh.

 

[Eliyahu]

HP: NO. DHK answered this point blank by stating that no flesh is sinful in and of itself, nor does any Scriptural passage indicate it is. When it states that Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh, it was not speaking of a genetic tie to sin via the flesh in the least, but rather was referring to the race of humans having committed sins were indeed sinful and were indeed in the flesh. Flesh in this sense is simply indicated the whole of humanity as being mortal, and is again in no wise speaking of any genetic tie between sin and flesh.

Then you mean Jesus didn't come in the Sinful Flesh, right?

But the Bible terms Sinful Flesh. Does Bible claim that there is Sinful Flesh even though Flesh is Neutral?

 

[Eliyahu]

HP, please read the following Bible and interpret it here:

Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

 

[Eliyahu]

My theology doesn't have any problem with this Bible verses:

Galatians 5:
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

1) Is flesh neutral ?

2) Was the flesh of Jesus the same as ours in terms of sinfulness?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Eliyahu: Then you mean Jesus didn't come in the Sinful Flesh, right?

HP: No, Jesus did not come in ‘the sinful flesh’ and Scripture NEVER states that He did. You are changing the testimony of Scripture with your question. Neither does anyone else come ‘in the sinful flesh’ unless you are speaking in general terms as coming in the same flesh and blood as does all of humanity, which has sinned.

Eliyahu: But the Bible terms Sinful Flesh. Does Bible claim that there is Sinful Flesh even though Flesh is Neutral?

HP: The Bible terms the whole of humanity as two things, sinful and in the flesh. In common parlance one can reasonably refer to humanity as sinful flesh without calling the flesh sin or stating that the flesh in and of itself is sin.

 

[Eliyahu]

DHK, TCGreek, Annsni,

Are you there?

I am waiting for your eloquent answer, the clear and wise answer to the following question.

Did Jesus offer the Sinful Flesh to God as the Sacrifice?

 

[Eliyahu]

HP: No, Jesus did not come in ‘the sinful flesh’ and Scripture NEVER states that He did. You are changing the testimony of Scripture with your question. Neither does anyone else come ‘in the sinful flesh’ unless you are speaking in general terms as coming in the same flesh and blood as does all of humanity, which has sinned.



HP: The Bible terms the whole of humanity as two things, sinful and in the flesh. In common parlance one can reasonably refer to humanity as sinful flesh without calling the flesh sin or stating that the flesh in and of itself is sin.

Interpret Romans 8:3.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Eliyahu: Did Jesus offer the Sinful Flesh to God as the Sacrifice?

HP: Just a note to the list, the question is skewed injecting an idea clearly foreign to Scripture in that it never refers to ‘the sinful flesh.’ The burden of proof lies upon Eliyahu to establish that the Scriptures ever mention Jesus or any other in the context of ‘the sinful flesh.’

 

[TCGreek]

The verse indicate that Jesus looked like only son of man though He was Son of God and Son of Man.

1. Jesus did not just look human; he was human--in fact, the only perfect human.

Do you believe Jesus was a servant not the Son ?

2. Jesus was both a slave (doulos, Phil 2:7) and a Son.

You are confused between the different similarities.

3. Not because I do not share your understanding of a text means that I'm confuse. In fact, I'm seeking the same truth that you're seeking.

Did Jesus offer the Sinful Flesh to God?

4. I'll answer you per Scripture:

"Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.

5. And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation" (Heb 5:7-8, NASB).

6. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for sin and he pleased the Father is so doing. Now this is quite adequate for me.

 

[DHK]

Why don't you clearly say Yes or No?

It is very much coward thing if you try to evade the question.

I am not evading anything. I'll restate your question in another field so you will understand what you are asking:
Is the color green black or white? Just pick one.

I will give you my answer first.

I am glad that you are able to answer

Jesus didn't offer the Sinful Flesh to God, but Sinless flesh to God as a blemish and spotless Sacrifice.

In the light of my previous statement to you: "flesh, in and of itself, cannot be sinful, your statement makes no sense to me. Try again.

Now it is your turn. Clearly answer by Yes or NO.
This will end up the argument ALL !

Is the color green, black or white?
Now it is your turn.
Will it really end up the argument???

 

[TCGreek]

How come you sound like Eliyahu?

That is what Eliyahu all the time claimed.

Jesus Christ was the second Adam, and God enfleshed Him with the same flesh as the Adam had before the FALL Therefore He was sinless and had sinless flesh.

Do you agree? Then I would welcome you !

Well, it's good to be in agreement.

 

[Eliyahu]

I am not evading anything. I'll restate your question in another field so you will understand what you are asking:
Is the color green black or white? Just pick one.

I am glad that you are able to answer

In the light of my previous statement to you: "flesh, in and of itself, cannot be sinful, your statement makes no sense to me. Try again.

Is the color green, black or white?
Now it is your turn.
Will it really end up the argument???

So, you are condemning the Bible is wrong as it says

"Sinful Flesh"

Yet, your theology cannot answer my question clearly.

Did Jesus offer the Sinful Flesh to God as the Sacrifice?

Can your theology give you the answer?

 

[Eliyahu]

Well, it's good to be in agreement.

The agreement with me is good, but you are betraying your own posts first by doing so.

 

[TCGreek]

Could the Egg of Mary have the form of the flesh that Adam had before the Fall?

It seems that you are betraying your own statements that you have made so far.

What you mentioned so far was that Jesus took the sinful flesh.

Did Adam have the Sinful Flesh before the Fall?

You are betraying yourself !!!

1. The last time I checked the conception of Jesus was of the Holy Spirit and it was miraculous (Matt 1; Luke 1).

2. Now you can try to fit that into your scientific and anthropological paradigm all you want, you are still not going to explain away the miracle and therefore make it subject to your human ingenuity.