The Word became Flesh and dwelt among us ( Jn 1:14)

[Eliyahu]

HP: You stated what you felt was a contradiction, but as I recall you offered only your own misunderstanding of what I had said, omitting any evidence that it actually was.

Try again. Possibly you could add some illustration or something to help us see the contradiction you say exists.

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[FONT=바탕]Post #111[/FONT]

HP: No, Jesus did not come in ‘the sinful flesh’ and Scripture NEVER states that He did. You are changing the testimony of Scripture with your question. Neither does anyone else come ‘in the sinful flesh’ unless you are speaking in general terms as coming in the same flesh and blood as does all of humanity, which has sinned.




[FONT=바탕]Post # 121[/FONT]
God, sent His Son into the world in the same flesh as is common to all sinful men, and for the saving of men, and by His sinless example of holiness condemned sin that was committed by all others in the flesh.


Can you not see the contradiction between 2 statements?





Yet, you don't realize that Bible says there is the Sinful Flesh.

Read Romans 8:3

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Ann: God encouraged us to send them to school

HP: With our home as a home school family for the most part, I can certainly relate to such messages from God.

 

[Eliyahu]

Nevertheless, you are neither Honest nor Courageous to answer the following question clearly:


Did God send Jesus in the Sinful Flesh?

 

[Eliyahu]

If you do not answer one by one, you are neither honest nor bold enough to preach the Truth.

 

[annsni]

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[FONT=바탕]Post #111[/FONT]

HP: No, Jesus did not come in ‘the sinful flesh’ and Scripture NEVER states that He did. You are changing the testimony of Scripture with your question. Neither does anyone else come ‘in the sinful flesh’ unless you are speaking in general terms as coming in the same flesh and blood as does all of humanity, which has sinned.




[FONT=바탕]Post # 121[/FONT]
God, sent His Son into the world in the same flesh as is common to all sinful men, and for the saving of men, and by His sinless example of holiness condemned sin that was committed by all others in the flesh.


Can you not see the contradiction between 2 statements?





Yet, you don't realize that Bible says there is the Sinful Flesh.

Read Romans 8:3

I do not see a contradiction here. Jesus did not come in sinful flesh because there's no such thing as sinful "flesh" meaning the physical body of nerves, bones and such. However, He had a body just like the rest of us have but ours is filled with a sinful nature and Jesus' was filled with a Divine nature.

 

[DHK]

If you do not answer one by one, you are neither honest nor bold enough to preach the Truth.

This is a veiled personal attack. For you have not been honest or bold enough yourself to define for any of us your own personal definition of "sinful flesh." You want us to answer a question that you can't answer for yourself. Now I ask you respectfully to be honest and give a straight and honest answer to your own question with a plain and Scriptural explanation.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Eliyahu: If you do not answer one by one, you are neither honest nor bold enough to preach the Truth.

HP: How can one answer a question as yes or no when you spin the question with an idea foreign to Scripture or reason in that flesh, in and of itself, is sinful? Your question to the list makes as much sense as the question I asked you about beating your wife. Well, have you?

Do you not see that in my question to you it presupposes that you have beat your wife, and in the question you ask the list it presupposes that the flesh, in and of itself, is sinful? If you desire to ask that question, prove to the list first that the flesh is, 'in and of itself sinful,' THEN after you have established that as fact, ask your question again.

 

[Eliyahu]

HP: How can one answer a question as yes or no when you spin the question with an idea foreign to Scripture or reason in that flesh, in and of itself, is sinful? Your question to the list makes as much sense as the question I asked you about beating your wife. Well, have you?

Do you not see that in my question to you it presupposes that you have beat your wife, and in the question you ask the list it presupposes that the flesh, in and of itself, is sinful? If you desire to ask that question, prove to the list first that the flesh is, 'in and of itself sinful,' THEN after you have established that as fact, ask your question again.

You have to clarify or admit the contradiction first.

I raise this issue again because Annsni tells us that there is No contradiction in the following statements, Do you think so?

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[FONT=바탕]Post #111[/FONT]

HP: No, Jesus did not come in ‘the sinful flesh’ and Scripture NEVER states that He did. You are changing the testimony of Scripture with your question. Neither does anyone else come ‘in the sinful flesh’ unless you are speaking in general terms as coming in the same flesh and blood as does all of humanity, which has sinned.




[FONT=바탕]Post # 121[/FONT]

God, sent His Son into the world in the same flesh as is common to all sinful men, and for the saving of men, and by His sinless example of holiness condemned sin that was committed by all others in the flesh.


Didn't you mean the Sinful Flesh here? Go back to Post # 121.



Can you not see the contradiction between 2 statements?

 

[Eliyahu]

I have clearly answered my Belief:

Jesus didn't come in the Sinful Flesh, but in the Sinless Flesh.


Jesus didn't offer the Sinful Flesh to God, but the Sinless Flesh to God.


Can you not answer my question?


Why does the Bible say the word " Sinful Flesh" ?

 

[TCGreek]

Could He become perfect by taking the Egg of Mary?




Where did your theology guide you to?

Do you know how to interpret Heb 5:7-9?

Jesus was perfect before the Cross, but became perfect again. How come? Including all the believers.

All the other issues will be cleared if you answer my Q

" Did Jesus offer the Sinful Flesh as the Sacrifice to God?"

The book of Hebrews is replete with priesthood and sacrificial language. In the light of that fact, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice to appease the wrath of a holy God.

He himself was the perfect sacrifice--I know of no other way to explain what is so simple.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

In John 9, we read the story of the blind man being healed by Jesus.

John 9:9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

Notice some said the "He is like the blind man" and the man answered, "I am he."

Scripture declares Jesus came in the likeness of sinful flesh. Nowhere does Jesus say "I did come in sinful flesh" And Paul got his revelations directly from the Son of God Himself.

Christ was not in sinful flesh. Never.

 

[TCGreek]

All of DHK, Annsni, TCGReek, HP,Cowboymatt, Brother Bob

Your theology is poorer and more miserable than that of Roman Catholic.

In case of RCC, they have Immaculate Conception.

That resolve such problem with the Sinful Flesh.

Biological Motherhood cannot stand without Immaculate Conception or something similar before the Conception.

1. Why do you keep calling everyone else who doesn't agree with you confused?

2. The conception of Jesus was miraculous and why aren't you answering the question about the "sinful flesh" that DHK posed?

 

[Eliyahu]

This is a veiled personal attack. For you have not been honest or bold enough yourself to define for any of us your own personal definition of "sinful flesh." You want us to answer a question that you can't answer for yourself. Now I ask you respectfully to be honest and give a straight and honest answer to your own question with a plain and Scriptural explanation.

Seeing you are not seeing !

How many times have I answered my own questions?

1. I believe that God sent Jesus in Sinless Flesh !

2. Jesus didn't offer the Sinful Flesh to God as the Sacrifice !

Could you not read these answers before?

Now it is your time to answer. I answered many times already. There is not so much difficulty there.

Read the above posts. Repreat I answered many times already !

 

[Eliyahu]

1. Why do you keep calling everyone else who doesn't agree with you confused?

2. The conception of Jesus was miraculous and why aren't you answering the question about the "sinful flesh" that DHK posed?

Do you have an eyesight problem as well ?

Could you not read my answers?

I answered many times.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The book of Hebrews is replete with priesthood and sacrificial language. In the light of that fact, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice to appease the wrath of a holy God.

He himself was the perfect sacrifice--I know of no other way to explain what is so simple.

You seem to contradict yourself. He was corruptible flesh, yet the perfect sacrifice.

 

[DHK]

Jesus did not come in ‘the sinful flesh’and Scripture NEVER states that He did.

God, sent His Son into the world in the same flesh as is common to all sinful men,

There is no contradiction between these two statements.
He didn't come in sinful flesh but in the likeness of sinful flesh, meaning that he came without a sin nature. For flesh in and of itself is not sinful.
God did send His Son into the world in the same flesh as is common to all sinful men. Why? Because there is nothing sinful about the flesh itself. And if he had not done so, then Jesus would not have been human. Jesus was totally human and totally God at the same time.

 

[Eliyahu]

Many of you claim that I have not answered to my own questions even though I answered more than 3 times:


Therefore I hereby answer clearly as follows:

1. God Sent His Son Jesus in the Sinless Flesh

2. Jesus didn't offer the Sinful Flesh to God as the Sacrifice, but the Sinless Flesh to God.

Can everybody read this?

Now, I hope Each one of you answer the questions honestly.

 

[DHK]

1. I believe that God sent Jesus in Sinless Flesh !

2. Jesus didn't offer the Sinful Flesh to God as the Sacrifice !

What about me? I believe I have sinless flesh

Of course I believe that all flesh is in and of itself sinless.

 

[Eliyahu]

There is no contradiction between these two statements.
He didn't come in sinful flesh but in the likeness of sinful flesh, meaning that he came without a sin nature.

Then you are contradicting TCGReek now.
Another question is whether the Egg of Mary was Sinless?

For flesh in and of itself is not sinful.
God did send His Son into the world in the same flesh as is common to all sinful men. Why? Because there is nothing sinful about the flesh itself. And if he had not done so, then Jesus would not have been human. Jesus was totally human and totally God at the same time.

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You are disagreeing with the Bible Romans 8:3 which says Sinful Flesh !

 

[Eliyahu]

What about me? I believe I have sinless flesh

You are disagreeing with TCGreek, then believe that Egg of Mary is Sinless, right?

Of course I believe that all flesh is in and of itself sinless.

YOu are disagreeing with Bible, Romans 8:3