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Theoretical sinlessness

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Heavenly Pilgrim

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I know that some on this list are praying. I feel God is working in the hearts and lives of some honest hearts, and He wants to work in the hearts of every single believer. He want to do a work in our hearts that will absolute revolutionize not only our thinking but our outward lives as well. Oh do it Lord!
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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Oh Lord, we are not looking for answers to theoretical sinlessness, but we desperately need an infilling of the biblical holiness You promised You would do.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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God, for just one minute, help us Lord to set aside all arguments, all notions concerning our theological positions and differences, and focus but for a single minute in Your presence humbly before You as we put You to the test to perform in us your promised blessings! Oh Lord, I believe! Help thou our unbelief! Help us to trust not in the abilities of the flesh, nor look about at the raging sea of the weakness of the flesh, but only for a minute focus on Your face and promises alone!
 
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DHK said:
1. They are commands we are to endeavor to keep.
2. They are commands regarding practical Christian living.
3. If commands, then they are for our keeping.

Like many other commands, it is difficult (sometimes impossible) for one to keep all the commands all the time. Therefore I do not believe that one can remain sinless, not even for one day.

Especially is this true when we consider some of the other commands given in Scripture such as the two Great Commandments that Jesus gave. I don't believe any man can truly keep those two commands, and the first of the two, no man will ever keep until they reach heaven.

Having carefully considered those things, we sin everyday. We sin continuously, constantly. We are frail creatures of dust. We must rely on God's grace day by day. Even then we cannot live perfectly. Can you live giving all of your strength and all of your mind to the Lord all of the time, and at the same time renewing the time for the days are evil? I don't believe so.

There are sins of omission as well as commission. We often sin by the things we don't do as much as in the things that we do. People sin in not carrying out the Great Commission for example.
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Please, I ask you, when it comes to sins, why not you just speak for yourself from now on, because I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court. You do not know me well enough to accuse of the sins you profess. 1 Corinthians 4:3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
 
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DHK

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
HP: Amen DHK. I agree with you there. :thumbs:




HP: Now there are miles between something difficult and something impossible.......and one certainly would not desire to take the position that the very God that says "HE WILL DO IT," is not being serious would we?
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God doesn't say "He will do it." Those are commands given for the Christian to keep. God is not going to "do it" for the Christian.

Consider:
(1Jn 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

If we say that we have not sinned (for how long), we make him a liar...

I met a woman once who said that she hadn't sinned for the last 13 years. I think she would fit into that category. The fact is that we are sinners. And if we start denying that we don't sin, we put ourselves in the same category. We put ourselves on dangerous ground when we deny that we are sinners.
 
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glfredrick

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Still waiting for the "believe and you're in" crowd to deal with my questions above.

Silence after so many posts... Wonder why?

1. Does a Mormon profess to have faith in God? Is their "faith" salvific?
2. Does a Catholic profess to have faith in God? Is their "faith" salvific?
3. Does a Jehovah's Witness profess to have faith in God? Is their "faith" salvific?
4. Does a Christian Scientist profess to have faith in God? Is their "faith" salvific?
5. Does a Branch Davidian profess to have faith in God? Is their "faith" salvific?
6. Does a Jew profess to have faith in God? Is their "faith" salvific?
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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1Th 5:24 Faithful is He that calleth you, who also will do it.

DHK: God doesn't say "He will do it." Those are commands given for the Christian to keep. God is not going to "do it" for the Christian.
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HP: I did not call myself DHK, God called me.

As for me, I am trusting in Christ and Christ alone to keep His promise. If no one joins me, yet I will follow, trust and obey.:thumbs:
 
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DHK

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
1Th 5:24 Faithful is He that calleth you, who also will do it.


HP: I did not call myself DHK, God called me.

As for me, I am trusting in Christ and Christ alone to keep His promise. If no one joins me, yet I will follow, trust and obey.:thumbs:
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Faithful is HE...who will do it. Do what?
That doesn't mean he will be the one giving thanks, he will be the one rejoicing, etc. He expects that of you.
That verse speaks of Him keeping you and your salvation. That is OSAS.
God doesn't do the work he expects you to do. But he does promise to keep your salvation for you.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
Context DHK, context. :thumbs:
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(Php 1:6) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
(1Th 5:24) Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
(1Th 5:25) Brethren, pray for us.

I have the context right, and the meaning right.
It correlates with other similar Scripture as well.
It is near the end of the epistle, as you can see, right before Paul requests prayer from them. It is a summary statement, not only for them to keep these commandments, but that the Lord would also keep them.
Remember that God is not going to do these things for you. You have to do them for yourselves. Thus the meaning you attach to is fruitless. God keeps our salvation in his hand. This is a very strong verse on the eternal security of the believer.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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How about this DHK? Let's pray one for another that whatever God wants us to do, we will do it, and we will both trust God to do what He says He will do. Lets purpose in our hearts to walk holy before Him with the help He has promised in this present world to the end that we might be found blameless at His coming. :godisgood:
 
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Jerry Shugart

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DHK said:
Like many other commands, it is difficult (sometimes impossible) for one to keep all the commands all the time. Therefore I do not believe that one can remain sinless, not even for one day.
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I believe that Paul teaches us that in our "walk" we can indeed live lives that can be described as 'holy":

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service" (Ro.12:1).

If we do sin we can confess that sin and we are cleansed from all unrighteousness and therefore are in a state which can be described as holy.

Then as long as we walk according to the Spirit we will not sin and we will remain holy. We should be able to do this for long periods of time. After all, this is a part of out "reasonable service," just as it was for the believing Israelites:

"The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life" (Lk.1:72-75).

If we keep our mind on the things of God and not own our own selves then we will indeed be able to serve Him in holiness all the days of our life:

"If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God" (Col.3:1-3).
 
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glfredrick

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All of a sudden all of the ones who have been spouting doctrine that is borderline heretical, if not full-on heretical, have turned and gotten all holy when confronted by their own arguments. Self-serving bunch for sure... IF, as they argue one can be sinless, then it is time to show that they are now sinless... :BangHead:

Still does not win them into God's presence, however.

STILL waiting for Winman or any of his cheerleaders to answer my questions re-posted above. Guess they can't without incriminating themselves and their false doctrine.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

HP: GLF, who would you despise for seeking a closer walk with the Lord, a walk of holiness and purity before Him with the help He hath proffered? Should that not be the cry of every heart that takes the name of Christ?
 
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Jerry Shugart

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DHK said:
I will agree with that.
But you haven't answered my question yet. Can you live a sinless life? Are you sinless?
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I have never said that I live a sinless life. Nonetheless what I said in my previous post is true and you said nothing which proves what I said is not true.
 
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