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There is none who seeks for God
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Yes, compare what some believe with 2 Thessalonians 2:13, a conditional election for salvation. Or James 2:5 where we are chosen as "poor to the world" meaning we are in the world when chosen, thus Ephesians 1:4 cannot refer to our individual election for salvation before creation. Now I can see some who would rewrite scripture to allow them to continue to believe their mistaken view, such as "Did not God choose those foreseen to be poor to the world, foreseen to be rich in faith, and foreseen to be heirs to the kingdom that will be promised to those foreseen to love God after they are created in the future." Not how it reads.
Some seek God some of the time. That is true. God reveals Himself to people, both through what He has made and through the work and witness of the Holy Spirit. In our fallen state, we can hear and understand the milk of the gospel. There are none that seek God while going against God by sinning. But fallen people do seek God like the men of Matthew 23:13
Where did Cain seek God? Wasn’t it God who first came to him in Genesis 4?
Genesis 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
I saw that after I posted my question for you. I see him just like those self-righteous Pharisees, Saducees, religious leaders, et al. They sought God on their terms, not God’s. Later on, God exposes Cain’s wicked heart to him.
Agreed, nonetheless Cain sought God and how can we mortals know the source - i.e. self or God.
So - bottom line I don't believe we can make an unqualified statement about what that means as Cain is an example.
So when the Scripture says that none seek after God that qualification is made in other places.
By their fruits you shall know them. Yes you are correct and I agree SG - Cain proved LATER what manner of seeking he was doing.
One way scripture is made to no effect is to say all those who were seeking God were not really seeking God. But that fallacy is shown to be a fallacy by Matthew 23:13 where those seeking God were in the process of entering. Thus they were really seeking God. The fact is the Bible provides many examples of people seeking God the wrong way (through works) and other examples of people seeking God through faith. So what do the nullifiers do, they rewrite the text, so instead of "your faith has saved you" we get your [God given] faith has saved you.
Belief in an altered text is not a wise choice.
Belief in an altered text is not a wise choice.
Romans 3:11 makes this statement and some read this as saying "there is none who seeks for God at any time." However the intended contextual message might be "there is none who seeks for God all the time, or when they are going against God by sinning."
Contextually, since Paul is saying "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) our third choice is most likely the inspired message.
Therefore some seek God some of the time, like the men of Matthew 23:13
Contextually, since Paul is saying "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) our third choice is most likely the inspired message.
Therefore some seek God some of the time, like the men of Matthew 23:13
Yes, revelatory grace, through what God has made and through the witness of the Holy Spirit allows some people to seek God some of the time. Coupled with 1 Corinthians 3:1, which teaches the lost can understand the milk of the gospel, provides our access to the saving grace in which we stand, Romans 5:2
Spot on!!
Romans 1:18-19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Unbelief and Its Consequences
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth [a]in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident [b]within them; for God made it evident to them.
Footnotes:
- Romans 1:18 Or by
- Romans 1:19 Or among
And where does it say that Cain sought God of his own terms?
Cain was a tiller and worked the soil. He brought the fruits of his labor to the Lord. What else was he supposed to do?
Page 6 and still folks are asserting that bringing offerings to the Lord in no way suggests they were seeking the Lord. Kindness and truth, kindness and truth. Lets not judge a person by the color of their grease paint, but by the content of their character.
.One person I spoke to about Cain said that Cain brought the wrong thing to sacrifice. He was suppose to bring a lamb per the instructions from God for a sacrifice not fruit's and vegetables. He should have bartered with Adam and purchased a lamb. God's instructions are suppose to be followed to the letter.
MB