... She just heard that Joe was nice .
Of course Joe was nice - he lived in Syracuse, NY (AKA the Salt City) for a few years. In fact, he lived
in a house about two miles from where I lived.
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Things I want to get off my chest about Joe Biden
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Of course Joe was nice - he lived in Syracuse, NY (AKA the Salt City) for a few years. In fact, he lived
in a house about two miles from where I lived.
Nope.
So, you are perfectly holy and don't deserve anything but heaven? You have never once broken God's moral laws?
Have you ever read the Bible?
SavedByGrace
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how about murder, rape, child molestation, are these ordained by God??? This teaching is RANK HERESY and from the devil!
SavedByGrace
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the Hebrew, shaphath, actually means simply, "to give", or "bestow", or "put in place", without any "ordaining". Hence Bible versions like the NASB, NKJV, HCSB, use "establish".
SavedByGrace
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you are the one who is talking complete rubbish! The Websters English dictionary tells us, that the word "ordain" means, "to establish or order by appointment, decree, or law". And the Oxford, "to order or command something; to decide something in advance". So, according to your theology, and that of the Reformed school, high crimes like, murder, rape, abuse against children and others, kidnap, etc, etc, have been "ordained" by God! THIS is the HIGHEST BLASPHEMY and HERESY against the HOLY God of the Bible!!!
SavedByGrace
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no person can get "saved" without repenting! All Nebuchadnezzar is doing here, is acknowledging the Greatness of the Lord God! Don't read into the Bible that which is NOT there!
SavedByGrace
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it is called FREE CHOICE!!! which some are blinded to!
"21 “But if a wicked person turns away (REPENTS) from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? (REPENTS) 24 But when a righteous person turns away (REJECTS) from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die." (Ezekiel 18)
How about we get back to the OP
RighteousnessTemperance&
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I understand. But I can't help but like that you were able to interject some truth to counter her misperceptions.I have a friend on the other side of the globe who was so pleased to see evil Trump defeated. I listed what the DNC platform/party stood for and she was aghast; her media never mentioned all the evil, anti-moral, ungodly and unconstitutional positions held. She just heard that Joe was nice and Trump was abrasive over and over and over from her limited resources.
I kindly told her to use this opportunity NOT to chime in on something about which she didn't have a clue.
Romans 1:24-31
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Job 1:9-12
Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
Job 2:4-7
Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life. But stretch out your hand and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse you to your face.” And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and struck Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.
Habakkuk 1:5-11
“Look among the nations, and see; wonder and be astounded. For I am doing a work in your days that you would not believe if told. For behold, I am raising up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, who march through the breadth of the earth, to seize dwellings not their own. They are dreaded and fearsome; their justice and dignity go forth from themselves. Their horses are swifter than leopards, more fierce than the evening wolves; their horsemen press proudly on. Their horsemen come from afar; they fly like an eagle swift to devour. They all come for violence, all their faces forward. They gather captives like sand. At kings they scoff, and at rulers they laugh. They laugh at every fortress, for they pile up earth and take it. Then they sweep by like the wind and go on, guilty men, whose own might is their god!”
God is not the cause of sin. God ordains that sin and evil can take place. He orders and organizes the wickedness of man so that it fulfills his plan. This plan is often hidden to us and God is not obligated to tell us his plan.
What you are teaching is that God is weak and incapacitated by rogue molecules and events of which he is unaware. Your God is not ruler of the universe. He is not Sovereign over His creation. He doesn't hold his creation in his hand. You deny the real Jesus.
Hebrews 1:1-3
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.
You believe there are rogue molecules. You don't believe that Jesus "upholds the universe by the word of his power." That Jesus ordains all things.
You speak falsely about God.
Salty,
All that is happening is by ordination of God. If Joe Biden is raised up to be President, it is by God's ordained choice. If Donald Trump is raised up to be President and election fraud is shown to be correct, it is by God's ordained choice.
May God bring us peace through whomever he ordains to rule the US.
All that is happening is by ordination of God. If Joe Biden is raised up to be President, it is by God's ordained choice. If Donald Trump is raised up to be President and election fraud is shown to be correct, it is by God's ordained choice.
May God bring us peace through whomever he ordains to rule the US.
Jesus was/is perfectly Holy.He washed me and made me pure.
Jesus blood not good enough to get the job done?
Scott Downey
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God also sends delusions into the minds of those who do not (receive) have the love of the Truth (Christ, they reject Christ) to believe the LIE so that ....they may all be destroyed who take pleasure in evil and wickedness. Meaning God does not grant these opponents repentance, and if no repentance, then that means they are prepared for destruction to experience His wrath , all this ordained by God.
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Once God does this, you will never believe in Christ as He has placed a strong delusion inside of your mind with the result that you believe the LIE (Devil). There is no peace for the wicked. This is a judgement of God on the wicked, like a curse they can not escape.
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Once God does this, you will never believe in Christ as He has placed a strong delusion inside of your mind with the result that you believe the LIE (Devil). There is no peace for the wicked. This is a judgement of God on the wicked, like a curse they can not escape.
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Reformed1689
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For the record that's not you deserving Heaven. That is you being gifted Heaven despite yourself.
atpollard
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"Establish" is more than "allow", so my comment stands.
"Ordain" means more than "allow" but less than "causes".
God CAUSES some things.
God ALLOWS other things.
God ORDAINS all things that come to pass.
In Christ you are holy. You, yourself, are wretched, just like Joe Biden and myself. When we stand before God, it is only by Jesus substitutionary atonement that we stand in condemned.
We dare not imagine we are better than, simply because God graciously chose to redeem us. We stand only in Christ and in Christ alone.
Pray that God might graciously redeem Joe Biden and Kamala Harris that they might be found in Christ as we are.
Scott Downey
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yes, spiritually perfected for salvation, joined as one spirit with Him, but we must all give account to God for the things done in the body.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Heb 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
For the record, I never said I deserved heaven.
I don't need a blooming lecture on positional righteousness. I have taught it for many, many years. My response to you was absolutely correct because you erred in a tense.
My prayers for Biden don't involve redemption. They are pretty much identical to some of David's prayers for his enemies. I really could not care less what you think about how I pray for the wicked.
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