The East might not bow to the primacy of Peter at this point, but to this very day they stick with the orthodox teachings of Christianity that were passed down from the beginning.
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The East might not bow to the primacy of Peter at this point, but to this very day they stick with the orthodox teachings of Christianity that were passed down from the beginning.
The Western religion is built on the primacy of Peter. If Peter is not the first pope, Rome is the biggest usurper since Nimrod.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Although you have abandoned the 'Abortion' thread you started, here is a response.
During the first century, the Jews disagreed as to what constituted the canon of Scripture. In fact, there were a large number of different canons in use, including the growing canon used by Christians. In order to combat the spreading Christian cult, rabbis met at the city of Jamnia or Javneh in A.D. 90 to determine which books were truly the Word of God. They pronounced many books, including the Gospels, to be unfit as scriptures. This canon also excluded seven books (Baruch, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, and the Wisdom of Solomon, plus portions of Esther and Daniel) that Christians considered part of the Old Testament.
The group of Jews which met at Javneh became the dominant group for later Jewish history, and today most Jews accept the canon of Javneh. However, some Jews, such as those from Ethiopia, follow a different canon which is identical to the Catholic Old Testament and includes the seven deuterocanonical books (cf. Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147).
Needless to say, the Church disregarded the results of Javneh. First, a Jewish council after the time of Christ is not binding on the followers of Christ. Second, Javneh rejected precisely those documents which are foundational for the Christian Church -- the Gospels and the other documents of the New Testament. Third, by rejecting the deuterocanonicals, Javneh rejected books which had been used by Jesus and the apostles and which were in the edition of the Bible that the apostles used in everyday life -- the Septuagint.
I would love to see your source on this mythical Council of Jamnia. There is no evidence of a special "council" that did any of the things you mentioned, least of all reject the Gospels from the canon.
The truth is that very little is known about this supposed council, except that a sanhedrin and a rabbinical school existed there and rabbinical literature retains some discussions (some before and some after A.D. 90) of the canonicity of a few books.
The council did not pronounce "many books, including the Gospels, to be unfit as scriptures." There is no record the Gospels were even mentioned, or were the Deuterocanonicals.
The Jewish canon was generally fixed long before the end of the first century A.D., although from time to time some rabbis would continue to question particular books.
The truth is that very little is known about this supposed council, except that a sanhedrin and a rabbinical school existed there and rabbinical literature retains some discussions (some before and some after A.D. 90) of the canonicity of a few books.
The council did not pronounce "many books, including the Gospels, to be unfit as scriptures." There is no record the Gospels were even mentioned, or were the Deuterocanonicals.
The Jewish canon was generally fixed long before the end of the first century A.D., although from time to time some rabbis would continue to question particular books.
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Debate is based on facts and evidence--not in terms of what people believe. Review the apologies of John Paul II.
I thought Inquisition went out in the 19th century--guess I was wrong.
The canons and the sources thereof are not the same. One of them is seriously flawed with what people believe. The human race is totally depraved. Man cannot get his religion right either. The Holy Spirit is in charge of Scripture. He knows better than to leave it in the hands of a unholy men.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Just as Paul quotes Pagan sources when speaking with Pagans it is important to respect what people believe.
If we were discussing something biblical I'm going to use your bible with the books it contains, not the book of Mormon, the Works of Ellen G White, the Diamond Sutra, the Qua-ran, the bag-vita. Especially with staunch xenophobic sola scriptura like structures you run into folks who swear a King James holier then the manuscripts they were translated from.
Then we use FACTS and EVIDENCE. Like the "proposed" fact that no where does scripture state as rule, that it must be biblical to be christian. (debated often)
If God is on your side you have a good chance of winning no matter what the rules are.
Are you sure? See Galatians 1:8-9.
...a good chance of winning what?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro . James
...a good chance of winning what?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro . James
BobRyan
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Consider it "un-abandoned" -- as I remake the same irrefutable point on that thread "again". Nice to have statements that stand the test of time.
Until read the first century statement by Josephus flatly contradicting your speculation.
Until you read the statement of Christ who claimed to teach "from ALL of scripture"
Luke 24:27 "And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself."