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Those Five Republican (?) Senators

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RighteousnessTemperance&

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Salty said:
How could any doctor or nurse participate in such an activity - phooy call it what it is:

How could any doctor or nurse participate in murder!
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All of this points to the need to make Pro-Life a primary issue. The Pro-Abortion lobby has not stopped at murdering babies in the womb at an early stage, but continued to push murder throughout pregnancy and then outside the womb.

There is no good reason to believe they will stop there. Reasons for abortion are generally of a deeply selfish nature, and could be argued after the person is born, eventually even long after.

For anyone Pro-Abortion to be ignorant of any of this is inexcusable and unconscionable, but indicates how effective the efforts of the Pro-Abortion lobby have been.
 
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AustinC

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atpollard said:
Yup, the United States really NEEDS judgement.
(I bet even the Priests of Molech would be shocked).
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Shall we pray the prayer of Habakkuk? <shudder> [emoji33]

God tells us that judgment falls first upon the house of God.

1 Peter 4:15-17
But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
 
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AustinC

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RighteousnessTemperance& said:
All of this points to the need to make Pro-Life a primary issue. The Pro-Abortion lobby has not stopped at murdering babies in the womb at an early stage, but continued to push murder throughout pregnancy and then outside the womb.

There is no good reason to believe they will stop there. Reasons for abortion are generally of a deeply selfish nature, and could be argued after the person is born, eventually even long after.

For anyone Pro-Abortion to be ignorant of any of this is inexcusable and unconscionable, but indicates how effective the efforts of the Pro-Abortion lobby have been.
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One cannot legislate morality upon a rebellious soul. You want abortion to dry up...preach reconciliation with God through Christ Jesus. This is the means by which abortion ceases to be a factor. Otherwise, the rebel against God will never stop aborting what they see as an unwanted "tumor" in the body.
 
FollowTheWay

FollowTheWay

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atpollard said:
Sure, here are the FACTS:
  • 54 Post Election Lawsuits
  • - 13 dropped by Plaintiff before reaching the court
  • -27 dismissed without a trial (Court refused to hear case)
  • -6 dismissed without a trial but currently awaiting an appeal
  • -2 Trials ongoing
  • = 6 Court Cases had evidence examined and ruled against out of 54 Lawsuits.
Some specific FACTS on active cases:
  • Bowyer et al. v. Ducey et al. ... Awaiting Appeal
    • Lawsuit seeking de-certification of Arizona results, litigated by Sidney Powell. The judge ruled that the plaintiffs lacked legal standing; their fraud allegations were vague and implausible, and their evidence was unreliable or irrelevant. Appealed to the 9th circuit
  • Wood v. Raffensperger et al. ... Awaiting Appeal
    • Lawsuit challenging the inclusion of absentee ballots for the general election in Georgia.
    • November 19: Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) request to halt certification was Denied as plaintiff Wood lacks standing and his constitutional rights arguments fail.
    • December 5: United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit affirmed the denial of Wood's motion for emergency relief.
    • Motion filed, for an expedited consideration for a writ of certorari at the Supreme Court of the United States.
  • Pearson et al. v. Kemp et al. ... Awaiting Appeal
    • Litigated by Sidney Powell. The judge ruled that the plaintiffs lacked legal standing and filed the case too late, that the federal court had no jurisdiction, and that the relief was impossible to grant.
    • Emergency petition filed in the Supreme Court of the United States for an emergency writ of mandamus.
  • King et al. v. Whitmer et al. ... Awaiting Appeal
    • December 7, 2020: Emergency Motion for Declaratory, Emergency, and Permanent Injunctive Relief denied. Appealed to the 6th Circuit.
    • Petition to the Supreme Court of the United States for writ of certorari filed.
  • Bognet et al. v. Boockvar et al. ... Awaiting Appeal
    • Also called Bognet et al. v. Secretary Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
    • Asked a federal court to overturn the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's decision allowing the receipt of ballots after Election Day. Dismissed by the District Court, appealed to 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals; dismissed, and appealed to Supreme Court
  • Donald J. Trump for President v. Boockvar et al. ... ONGOING
    • Supreme Court appeal of multiple Pennsylvania lawsuits. Petition for a writ of certiorari filed with response due January 22, 2021. Motion of Constitutional Attorneys for leave to file amicus brief submitted. Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank submitted.
    • January 11, 2021: Motion to expedite denied
  • Feehan et al. v. Wisconsin Elections Comm'n et al. ... Awaiting Appeal
    • Plaintiffs challenge a variety of election practices and claim electronic ballot stuffing campaign occurred. Plaintiffs seek decertification of election results. The case was dismissed for lack of jurisdiction on December 9, 2020. The plaintiff also lacked legal standing.
    • Appealed to the 7th Circuit
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None are still pending. HE LOST THEM ALL.

After the 2020 United States presidential election, the campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others filed and lost 86 lawsuits[1][2][3][4][5][6] contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.[7]

Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence;[8] judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous"[9] and "without merit".[10] In one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his reelection collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day.[11] Only one ruling was initially in Trump's favor: the timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to “cure” their ballots. This ruling affected very few votes,[2] and it was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.[12]
 
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RighteousnessTemperance&

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AustinC said:
One cannot legislate morality upon a rebellious soul. You want abortion to dry up...preach reconciliation with God through Christ Jesus. This is the means by which abortion ceases to be a factor. Otherwise, the rebel against God will never stop aborting what they see as an unwanted "tumor" in the body.
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Oops. Didn't BB recently claim elsewhere that no one on this board makes this nonsense argument? Did you do it just to prove him wrong? LOL. Seriously, if you must discuss law, perhaps consider first understanding what it's for.
 
atpollard

atpollard

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FollowTheWay said:
None are still pending. HE LOST THEM ALL.
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Stop embarrassing yourself. I provided you with the NAMES of the actual lawsuits so you could check for yourself.


Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., Petitioner
v.
Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of Pennsylvania, et al.

Docketed: December 23, 2020
US Supreme Court Docket No. 20-845
  • Dec 21 2020 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due January 22, 2021)
  • Dec 21 2020 Motion to expedite consideration of the petition for a writ of certiorari filed by petitioner.
  • Dec 23 2020 Motion for leave to file amici brief filed by Constitutional Attorneys
  • Dec 28 2020 Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank not accepted for filing. (January 07, 2021)
  • Dec 30 2020 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Republican Party of Pennsylvania.
  • Dec 30 2020 Response to motion for expedited consideration from respondent Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania filed.
  • Jan 04 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Delaware County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 04 2021 Brief in support of motion of petitioner Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. filed.
  • Jan 06 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Crawford County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 07 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Allegheny County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 08 2021 Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank not accepted for filing. (January 19, 2021)
  • Jan 11 2021 Motion to expedite consideration filed by petitioner DENIED.
  • Jan 14 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to respond filed.
  • Jan 15 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Luzerne County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 19 2021 Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank not accepted for filing. (January 26, 2021)
  • Jan 20 2021 Waiver of right of respondents Bucks County Board of Elections; Chester County Board of Elections; Montgomery County Board of Elections; Philadelphia County Board of Elections; Omar Sabir; Al Schmidt; and Lisa Deeley to respond filed.
  • Jan 21 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Allegheny County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 21 2021 Waiver of right of respondents Various County Boards of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 22 2021 Waiver of Susquehanna County Board of Elections of right to respond not accepted for filing. (January 26, 2021)
  • Jan 22 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Susquehanna County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 27 2021 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 2/19/2021.
  • Jan 27 2021 Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank submitted.

Since the case is scheduled for Conference before the US Supreme Court on February 19, 2021 ... it IS an active and pending case.
 
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AustinC

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RighteousnessTemperance& said:
Oops. Didn't BB recently claim elsewhere that no one on this board makes this nonsense argument? Did you do it just to prove him wrong? LOL. Seriously, if you must discuss law, perhaps consider first understanding what it's for.
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Are you stating that God's redemption of sinners has no effect on the moral choices of the one who is redeemed, yet creating laws can change a person's heart? Have you never read a Bible? Have you never read Paul's contrast between the law and grace in his letter to the Romans?
Exactly why do you place faith in legislation and no faith in God?
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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atpollard said:
I agree that means that their decision is NOT about political posturing for re-election.
That suggests that they actually believe that the former President did something wrong (or are constitutional scholars voting on the merits of the issue of the ability to impeach a President that has left office).

While I do not support the impeachment (because no positive result can come from it), I think that there is merit to the argument for improper behavior. The GOP screamed "we have evidence of widespread fraud" for MONTHS and ultimately produced no real or substantial evidence. I have seen better evidence for "bigfoot" than widespread fraud of hundreds of thousands of votes. The arguments sounded good in the beginning, but the mythical "proof" never materialized. Just a shadow campaign of smears and innuendo and harsh rhetoric. I think a better case can be made that Donald Trump refused to cooperate with the smooth transfer of power (one of his Presidential duties) than the results of the election were really the result of fraud.

The GOP telling their supporters NOT to mail in their votes was the stupidest idea that I have ever heard in my entire life and that strategy alone cost them the election ... and deservedly so. Who tells supporters not to vote? My wife and I mailed in our votes for Trump. Should we have just stayed home and let Biden win FLORIDA, too?
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This is not true. There is proof of wrong doing in the election. It's just not getting heard in the courts. And it is not getting heard, not because of merit, but because of standing and timing. In other words, ridiculous process questions and not actual basis of the case itself.

The SCOTUS is actually taking up cases this month. Too little too late.

In the cases that actually have been heard and taken on merit, the Trump campaign has won 2/3 of those cases.
 
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RighteousnessTemperance&

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AustinC said:
Are you stating that God's redemption of sinners has no effect on the moral choices of the one who is redeemed, yet creating laws can change a person's heart? Have you never read a Bible? Have you never read Paul's contrast between the law and grace in his letter to the Romans? Exactly why do you place faith in legislation and no faith in God?
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You're getting all twisted up by confusing civil law and its purpose with the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ. It's causing you to resort to unbiblical nonsense.

But perhaps you are doing so consistently. Just what is your position regarding civil law? Do you advocate doing away with all laws, thus all law enforcement and all courts? That would be quite unbiblical, but it is what you would have to argue to be consistent with your argument regarding abortion laws.
 
FollowTheWay

FollowTheWay

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atpollard said:
Stop embarrassing yourself. I provided you with the NAMES of the actual lawsuits so you could check for yourself.


Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., Petitioner
v.
Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of Pennsylvania, et al.

Docketed: December 23, 2020
US Supreme Court Docket No. 20-845
  • Dec 21 2020 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due January 22, 2021)
  • Dec 21 2020 Motion to expedite consideration of the petition for a writ of certiorari filed by petitioner.
  • Dec 23 2020 Motion for leave to file amici brief filed by Constitutional Attorneys
  • Dec 28 2020 Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank not accepted for filing. (January 07, 2021)
  • Dec 30 2020 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Republican Party of Pennsylvania.
  • Dec 30 2020 Response to motion for expedited consideration from respondent Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania filed.
  • Jan 04 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Delaware County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 04 2021 Brief in support of motion of petitioner Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. filed.
  • Jan 06 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Crawford County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 07 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Allegheny County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 08 2021 Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank not accepted for filing. (January 19, 2021)
  • Jan 11 2021 Motion to expedite consideration filed by petitioner DENIED.
  • Jan 14 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to respond filed.
  • Jan 15 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Luzerne County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 19 2021 Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank not accepted for filing. (January 26, 2021)
  • Jan 20 2021 Waiver of right of respondents Bucks County Board of Elections; Chester County Board of Elections; Montgomery County Board of Elections; Philadelphia County Board of Elections; Omar Sabir; Al Schmidt; and Lisa Deeley to respond filed.
  • Jan 21 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Allegheny County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 21 2021 Waiver of right of respondents Various County Boards of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 22 2021 Waiver of Susquehanna County Board of Elections of right to respond not accepted for filing. (January 26, 2021)
  • Jan 22 2021 Waiver of right of respondent Susquehanna County Board of Elections to respond filed.
  • Jan 27 2021 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 2/19/2021.
  • Jan 27 2021 Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank submitted.

Since the case is scheduled for Conference before the US Supreme Court on February 19, 2021 ... it IS an active and pending case.
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You call me names without any semblance of proof or even an understanding of what you posted. In your own words, what does all of this mean?
I looked at the docket of the Supreme Court from Oct. of 2020 to March of 2021. This includes cases decided without oral argument as well as cases
which have not yet been scheduled.
October 2020 US Supreme Court Cases - SCOTUSblog

This is the only case included on this list:
Trump v. New York, No. 20-366 [Arg: 11.30.2020 Trans./Aud.; Decided 12.18.2020]

Holding: Because the challengers have not shown standing and because the claims presented are not ripe for adjudication, the district court’s judgment is vacated, and the case is remanded with instructions to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction.

The case you cited is not being considered for a Supreme Court review.
 
FollowTheWay

FollowTheWay

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Reformed1689 said:
This is not true. There is proof of wrong doing in the election. It's just not getting heard in the courts. And it is not getting heard, not because of merit, but because of standing and timing. In other words, ridiculous process questions and not actual basis of the case itself.

The SCOTUS is actually taking up cases this month. Too little too late.

In the cases that actually have been heard and taken on merit, the Trump campaign has won 2/3 of those cases.
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Your statements are not consistent with the facts.
 
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