Those Objecting to God Imputing Righteousness

[KenH]

Certainly, but the Calvinist interpretation ignores the context and simple claims the word means whatever supports Calvinism. LOL

I am not a Calvinist. I am a Christian. Calvinism, or any other kind of (-ism), is not the gospel. There may be items in (-isms) that aid in systematically studying God's Word, but they are not the gospel of Christ.

 

[KenH]

Utter nonsense. God chooses human individuals for salvation. John uses the word translated "world" to refer to humanity.

I said that all of God's elect, other than the elect angels, are humans. You think it is "utter nonsense" to say that God's elect people are humans?

 

[Van]

I am not a Calvinist. I am a Christian. Calvinism, or any other kind of (-ism), is not the gospel. There may be items in (-isms) that aid in systematically studying God's Word, but they are not the gospel of Christ.

Which of the 5 points of the TULIP do you claim are false?

 

[Van]

I said that all of God's elect, other than the elect angels, are humans. You think it is "utter nonsense" to say that God's elect people are humans?

Here is what I said: God chooses human individuals for salvation.
So the "utter nonsense" refers to the denial that Christ died for all humanity.

 

[KenH]

Which of the 5 points of the TULIP do you claim are false?

I didn't say that any of them are false. Don't John Calvin's writings include a lot more stuff than just TULIP? Not to mention his actions, some of which are rather controversial. Not having read much at all of what Calvin wrote, and certainly not aligning myself with all of his actions, I am not a follower of Calvin. I am a Christian, a follower of The Lord my Righteousness, Christ Jesus.

 

[KenH]

Here is what I said: God chooses human individuals for salvation.
So the "utter nonsense" refers to the denial that Christ died for all humanity.

My comment didn't even mention the refuting of your false teaching about Christ's propitiatory atonement.

 

[Van]

I didn't say that any of them are false. Don't John Calvin's writings include a lot more stuff than just TULIP? Not to mention his actions, some of which are rather controversial. Not having read much at all of what Calvin wrote, and certainly not aligning myself with all of his actions, I am not a follower of Calvin. I am a Christian, a follower of The Lord my Righteousness, Christ Jesus.

Note this "non-Calvinist" believes in all 5 points of the TULIP. Thus by definition is indeed a Calvinist. Calvinists that deny they are Calvinists are a dime a dozen on this BB!

 

[Van]

My comment didn't even mention the refuting of your false teaching about Christ's propitiatory atonement.

Calvinists offer no evidence, just a steady stream of false charges. Think of their posts as disinformantion. 1 John 2:2 says Christ became the propitiation (means of salvation) for the whole world (all of humanity.)

 

[1689Dave]

@Van Surely you are trying the "world" angle, are you? World means Jews and Gentiles, not every person. Your position is easily refuted by reading Luke 2:1 - And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. Obviously, "world" was every person in the world.

All of the native Americans, Africans, too?

 

[KenH]

Obviously, "world" was every person in the world.

I want to thank @1689Dave for bringing to my attention that I left out a word when I typed this. I meant to write "Obviously, "world" was not every person in the world." (correction in red bold letters)

 

[Yeshua1]

More false claims, more fiction.
To repeat for the umpteenth time, no verse or passage says or suggests Christ's righteousness is imputed (ascribed). None, Zip, Nada! Full stop.

How are we made righteous? In Christ we undergo the washing of regeneration, the circumcision of Christ. (Titus 3:5, Colossians 2:11)

We are fully justified when the Father imputes towards us the righteousness of Lord Jesus, declared to be right standing with Him now!

 

[Yeshua1]

More false claims, more fiction.
To repeat for the umpteenth time, no verse or passage says or suggests Christ's righteousness is imputed (ascribed). None, Zip, Nada! Full stop.

How are we made righteous? In Christ we undergo the washing of regeneration, the circumcision of Christ. (Titus 3:5, Colossians 2:11)

Do you hold to infusion of grace then?

 

[Yeshua1]

Once again we see Calvinist fiction.

If a person has their sin burden (what God holds against them) removed, why is that just? Because God accepted the sacrifice of Christ for that sin, past, present and future. If a person is not placed into Christ, do they undergo the circumcision of Christ? Nope.

Col 2:11
and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ,

So the removal of the sin burden occurs after God places a person into Christ and not before. Thus their is no "double payment" in the afterlife of the lost for their sin.

Here are the two views, the first bogus, the second valid:
1) God chose the elect individually before creation, Christ died only for the elect, thus paying then for their sin burden.

2) God chooses the elect individually during their lifetime based on crediting their faith as righteousness, then places them into Christ where their sin burden is removed, in accordance with Christ dying for all humanity. Christ became the means of salvation for all humanity (1 John 2:2) but only when a person is placed into Christ, does that person receive the benefit of His sacrifice.

When are the sinners placed into Christ?

 

[Van]

We are fully justified when the Father imputes towards us the righteousness of Lord Jesus, declared to be right standing with Him now!

Spewing false claims is the sine qua non of Calvinists.

 

[Van]

When are the sinners placed into Christ?

What does scripture say? 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 1 Corinthians 1:30,

 

[Van]

When are the sinners placed into Christ?

Colossians 1:13-14

 

[Yeshua1]

Spewing false claims is the sine qua non of Calvinists.

I was describing Pauline Justification, so you now deny that?

 

[Yeshua1]

Colossians 1:13-14

When the sinner receives Jesus as Lord!

 

[Van]

I was describing Pauline Justification, so you now deny that?

Putting falsehood into the mouths of their opponents is the sine qua non of Calvinists.

 

[Van]

When the sinner receives Jesus as Lord!

Yet another falsehood, for individuals are placed into Christ when God credits their faith as righteousness, not when they think they believe. Recall those of Matthew 7 who said "Lord, Lord" yet were not saved!