Those who deny the general redemption.

[Silverhair]

silverhair



That world is the elect, and that world has no sin charged to it. Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

In fact, that world is Justified from all sin, God wont chare it with none. Now you know thats not everyone without exception unless you believe in universalism. Are you a universalist now ?

BF try to sound like you are logical. For one to be elect they have to be in Christ through faith. I note in your attempt to support your failed view you will pull random verses from all over the bible in the hope that you can justify your view. Just because you see the word elect in a verse does not equate to your version of elect. The elect of God are 1] the Jews as a nation and 2] those that have placed their trust in His son.

By your own words you prove that you do not trust the bible. You may use the same words but you have a different dictionary. Your theology is failed and unless you trust in the Christ Jesus of the bible through the faith established in the bible you will continue to be lost.

You nor anyone else has the power or right to tell the Holy Spirit that He got scripture wrong. The Holy Spirit is not a calvinist or an arminian. We are to believe the bible as written not as one would like it to be written. Since you seem unable or unwilling to do that then further interaction with you is pointless.

I do not interact with people just to play word games which is what I find many of the calvinists on BB like to do. If and when you want to be serious then let me know.

I will pray that God will open your eyes to His truths.

 

[Brightfame52]

I am always amazed at how hard you work to deny scripture, but then again you are a calvinist.

1Pe_1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The atonement has paid/covered the sins of mankind but one is only saved by God after they trust in the risen Christ. Your theology requires that your saved by His death as you do not believe in Him, the risen Christ, until you are given faith.

Because you follow a false philosophy rather than the bible you struggle to understand scripture. I find it amazing how you continue to read so much into the the text. And then ignore clear text that you do not like.

Did you understand what 1 Pet 2:25 is saying in addition to Vs 24 ? According to Vs 25 what happened to the Sheep that went astray ?

 

[Brightfame52]

BF like it or not the bible says over and over that Christ came to save the lost ungodly sinners. So unless you think that most of the world does not fit into those categories you are denying scripture. Your calvinist theology does not overrule the bible. The bible is the authority, why do you not accept this fact.

When the bible says Christ was the ransom for all you think it means ransom for the calvinist elect. So for you the bible seems to just have suggestions as your authority is your calvinis philosophy.

So now what happens to them who were reconciled to God by the death of His Son while they were enemies ? What is the promise > Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life

 

[Brightfame52]

BF try to sound like you are logical. For one to be elect they have to be in Christ through faith. I note in your attempt to support your failed view you will pull random verses from all over the bible in the hope that you can justify your view. Just because you see the word elect in a verse does not equate to your version of elect. The elect of God are 1] the Jews as a nation and 2] those that have placed their trust in His son.

By your own words you prove that you do not trust the bible. You may use the same words but you have a different dictionary. Your theology is failed and unless you trust in the Christ Jesus of the bible through the faith established in the bible you will continue to be lost.

You nor anyone else has the power or right to tell the Holy Spirit that He got scripture wrong. The Holy Spirit is not a calvinist or an arminian. We are to believe the bible as written not as one would like it to be written. Since you seem unable or unwilling to do that then further interaction with you is pointless.

I do not interact with people just to play word games which is what I find many of the calvinists on BB like to do. If and when you want to be serious then let me know.

I will pray that God will open your eyes to His truths.

Now consider the world in 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Does God charge the members of that world with sin ? Yes or no ?

 

[Silverhair]

So now what happens to them who were reconciled to God by the death of His Son while they were enemies ? What is the promise > Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life

Those that trust in the living Christ Jesus will be saved.

 

[Silverhair]

Now consider the world in 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Does God charge the members of that world with sin ? Yes or no ?

BF a bit of context will help you over your struggles.
2Co 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

You always seem to miss the key points of verses. People are reconciled to God through Christ Jesus. The atonement was done at the cross. But and you always seem to miss this point. We are saved by his life. Romans 5:10

Those that trust in the Son will be saved those that do not will be condemned because they did not trust in the Son.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Reformed]

they typically are unable to understand

That statement is pure hubris. The same goes for any Monergist who believes Synergists are unable to understand particular redepemption.

 

[Brightfame52]

Those that trust in the living Christ Jesus will be saved.

You not being true to what Rom 5:10 actually says, lets try this again:

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What is the promise made in this verse to them who have been reconciled to God by His Sons death, while they were enemies ?

 

[Brightfame52]

BF a bit of context will help you over your struggles.
2Co 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

You always seem to miss the key points of verses. People are reconciled to God through Christ Jesus. The atonement was done at the cross. But and you always seem to miss this point. We are saved by his life. Romans 5:10

Those that trust in the Son will be saved those that do not will be condemned because they did not trust in the Son.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Does the world in 2 Cor 5:19 have any of their sin charged against it ? Yes or no please

 

[37818]

That statement is pure hubris. The same goes for any Monergist who believes Synergists are unable to understand particular redepemption.

Your statement makes no sense. Monergism is being the truth.

 

[AustinC]

37818 said: ↑
they typically are unable to understand

That statement is pure hubris. The same goes for any Monergist who believes Synergists are unable to understand particular redepemption.

Your statement makes no sense. Monergism is being the truth.

And thus we see your struggle, 37.

 

[37818]

And thus we see your struggle, 37.

You see nothing of the sort. Only with the general redemption being true can the now not yet saved be offered a know so salvation through Christ. [Mark 16:15, Colossians 1:23.]

 

[AustinC]

You see nothing of the sort. Only with the general redemption being true can the now not yet saved be offered a know so salvation through Christ. [Mark 16:15, Colossians 1:23.]

Do you reject the truth that God makes you alive and it is through God's work that you know you are redeemed?

You seem to think that it is all you and your choices that saved you. If the latter were true, then your general redemption would need to be since you couldn't claim salvation by God's work alone.
But, God has particularly redeemed you by making you alive with Christ and giving you faith to believe, you can know you are saved.

 

[37818]

Do you reject the truth that God makes you alive and it is through God's work that you know you are redeemed?

I think you are confused. God makes one alive through the new birth per Ephesians 2:1-9. etc. 2 Corinthians 5:17. We understand this differently.

You have to understand they typically are unable to understand the reasons why the general redemption is in fact true because of the necessity of the particular redemption.

 

[AustinC]

I think you are confused. God makes one alive through the new birth per Ephesians 2:1-9. etc. 2 Corinthians 5:17. We understand this differently.

So, God makes a person alive and seats them in the heavenlies with Christ Jesus.
Does he do that with every person in the world?
If not, then God has particularly redeemed those whom He chooses to make alive.

Honestly, general redemption is a form of universalism.

 

[Brightfame52]

So, God makes a person alive and seats them in the heavenlies with Christ Jesus.
Does he do that with every person in the world?
If not, then God has particularly redeemed those whom He chooses to make alive.

Honestly, general redemption is a form of universalism.

In fact those people Christ died for and rose again, they died and rose again with Him before they were ever born. Thats why its sure they shall believe, they already reigning and sitting with Christ.

 

[37818]

So, God makes a person alive and seats them in the heavenlies with Christ Jesus.
Does he do that with every person in the world?
If not, then God has particularly redeemed those whom He chooses to make alive.

God requires faith first. Ephesians 1:13, ". . . also after that ye believed, . . ." Which you seem to refuse to hear.

Honestly, general redemption is a form of universalism.

. No that is not honest. Just because Universalists, Catholics, Mormons, etc. also believe in a general redemption. Doesn't make one any of those beliefs.

 

[Salty]

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[AustinC]

God requires faith first. Ephesians 1:13, ". . . also after that ye believed, . . ." Which you seem to refuse to hear.

. No that is not honest. Just because Universalists, Catholics, Mormons, etc. also believe in a general redemption. Doesn't make one any of those beliefs.

It's best you read the chapter, because your one verse is not supporting you in context.
*Ephesians 1:3-23*
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

 

[Brightfame52]

37818

God requires faith first. Ephesians 1:13, ". . . also after that ye believed, . . ." Which you seem to refuse to hear.

That verse says nothing about any requirements. We can start from Vs 1 nothing is stated about anything being required. Thats all a rehersal of the blessings bestowed upon the Chosen in Christ