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Thoughts on the NLT

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RipponRedeaux

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37818 said:
I would either give a KJV or better a NKJV.
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You're not thinking straight to select a KJV for a new believer. A New believer would need a translation to understand that translation. That would thereby cause extra hoops to jump through. The NKJV would be a better choice if given only those two options. However, the NLT would be the most reasonable Bible version for one new in the Faith.
Perhaps you don't have the opportunity to run into new believers in your neck of the woods. Let's say a typical new believer is a 20 year old unchurched person. Let's also say that this individual is not much of a reader. Would the information in the last two sentences alter your your opinion?
I tend to think that the kind of person you're picturing is at least a 30+ year old having been raised up in an IFB church.
 
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RipponRedeaux said:
You're not thinking straight to select a KJV for a new believer. A New believer would need a translation to understand that translation. That would thereby cause extra hoops to jump through. The NKJV would be a better choice if given only those two options. However, the NLT would be the most reasonable Bible version for one new in the Faith.
Perhaps you don't have the opportunity to run into new believers in your neck of the woods. Let's say a typical new believer is a 20 year old unchurched person. Let's also say that this individual is not much of a reader. Would the information in the last two sentences alter your your opinion?
I tend to think that the kind of person you're picturing is at least a 30+ year old having been raised up in an IFB church.
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I told you what I would actually do and have done. The NLT has its own problems. I do not trust it as the word of God.
 
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RipponRedeaux

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RipponRedeaux said:
Perhaps you don't have the opportunity to run into new believers in your neck of the woods. Let's say a typical new believer is a 20 year old unchurched person. Let's also say that this individual is not much of a reader. Would the information in the last two sentences alter your your opinion?
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The above is what I want you to address regarding a young person in the year of our Lord 2022.
 
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JesusFan

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Eternally Grateful said:
The NLT is a modern english easy to read bible. From my experience. It is an ok bible for someone who is knowledgeable in the word. But I would not give it to a new believer for the following reasons.

1. Our church tried to go to it (some still use it and love it) because compaired to told old English bibles. which are hard to read and outdated language wise (especially the old KJV and ASV) it is much easier to read and understand.
2. While using it. there were many places where we actually had to (in our church service) use a NASB or NKJV to correct the interpretation. because the NLT was that far off.
3. I myself (because they asked us all to use it in our teachings) had to do the same. and I finally gave up and went to my preferred NKJV study bible for my teachings.

There is no perfect bible in my view. All versions, based on language differences, have issues. You in fac't cant have an actual word for word bible (it would almost be to big, and there are greek words or phrases which can not be accurately translated in a word for word format) and bibles like the NIV and NLT are scorned because they are not word for word..

some of these differences, are in my view, are to important to overlook. And the New Living in my view breaks this standard. A new person reading this could be led to some doctrines which are not scriptural. and may even be led to a different gospel.
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I would encourage them to read the Nlt, but also to balance that reading with Nkjv/Esv/Nas
 
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RipponRedeaux said:
You are illogical. On the one hand you state it is not a paraphrase. On the other hand you retract that and say that it is. You can't have it both ways.
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And you continue to show your lack of ability to read and comprehend. There's a big difference between CONSIDERING it a paraphrase and it actually be one. If you want to be a donkey, please, start your own thread. I'll be Balaam in that thread! :)
 
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RipponRedeaux said:
It either is or is not. It cannot logically be both. Make up your mind. Don't be double-minded.
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Again, your lack of reading and comprehension skills is showing. Please, go elsewhere to post and stop trying to derail this thread.
 
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JesusFan

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AVL1984 said:
And you continue to show your lack of ability to read and comprehend. There's a big difference between CONSIDERING it a paraphrase and it actually be one. If you want to be a donkey, please, start your own thread. I'll be Balaam in that thread! :)
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It is a dynamic translation, so not a paraphrased, but not nearly as accurate as a formal translation would be either!
 
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My thoughts on the version in response to the OP

John 3:16 (NLT)
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Many modern translation correct the interpretation that God was expressing the degree of love, rather than correctly as the method used to express that love.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
As for us, we can’t help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We are always thankful that God chose you to be among the first to experience salvation—a salvation that came through the Spirit who makes you holy and through your belief in the truth.

Here we see two doctrine driven mistranslations.

First the NLT indicates we were chosen "to experience salvation" rather than for the purpose of salvation. Second the object of the verb chose is salvation rather than "through sanctification by the spirit and faith in the truth. These phrases actually indicate the means and basis of selection for salvation. Chosen by being set apart in Christ based on God crediting their faith as righteousness.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

Here we see the interpretation that if you are not indwelt, you cannot understand any spiritual truths, such as God's divine attributes. However Romans 1:19-20 says lost people can understand some spiritual truths.

So while that NLT is easy to read and understand, the books have been cooked to hide the fallacies of Calvinism.
 
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JesusFan

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Van said:
John 3:16 (NLT)
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Many modern translation correct the interpretation that God was expressing the degree of love, rather than correctly as the method used to express that love.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
As for us, we can’t help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We are always thankful that God chose you to be among the first to experience salvation—a salvation that came through the Spirit who makes you holy and through your belief in the truth.

Here we see two doctrine driven mistranslations.

First the NLT indicates we were chosen "to experience salvation" rather than for the purpose of salvation. Second the object of the verb chose is salvation rather than "through stratification by the spirit and faith in the truth. These phrases actually indicate the means and basis of selection for salvation. Chosen by being set apart in Christ based on God crediting their faith as righteousness.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

Here we see the interpretation that if you are not indwelt, you cannot understand any spiritual truths, such as God's divine attributes. However Romans 1:19-20 says lost people can understand some spiritual truths.

So while that NLT is easy to read and understand, the books have been cooked to hide the fallacies of Calvinism.
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There are no "Fallacies of Calvinism"
 
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RipponRedeaux

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Van said:
1 Corinthians 2:14
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

Here we see the interpretation that if you are not indwelt, you cannot understand any spiritual truths, such as God's divine attributes. However Romans 1:19-20 says lost people can understand some spiritual truths.
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Here we note Vanology in its proliferation of error. He has been corrected by many for his twisting of the Scripture in this regard. A plain reading of the passage is still a stumbling-block to Van. What is readily apparent to believers is yet to penetrate the heart and mind of Van. If a person is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit the things of the Spirit is foolishness to the unbeliever. That's because the things of the Spirit are spiritually discerned. No Holy Spirit within = no spiritual discernment.
As 1 Cor. 1:18 says "For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
 
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