Three-fold nature of Man

[Dr. Walter]

Sorry,I disagree. When Thomas said to the risen Lord "My Lord and my God",was he saying Jesus is diffrent beings? Obviously not! "You my friend" are making more out of something that simply is interchangable wording for soul or spirit.....other than for example like in Romans 8 where the Holy Spirit is presant in man's soul "because of the new birth" is making intersession. And to say I am rejecting clear teaching? Do you not have bigger fish to fry? Do you think the bible is written for theologians only?

So "morrow" and "joints" are interchangable without distinction? So, "thoughts" and "intents" are interchanable without distinction? That is what you are forced to believe to suggest that "spirit" and "soul" are interchangable without distinction in Heb. 4:12. Your arguments are simply excuses not to beleive what the Word of God explicitly states.

In addition, Heb. 4:12 is not the only passage that makes such a distinction (1 Thes. 5:23).

 

[Jedi Knight]

Your arguments are simply excuses not to beleive what the Word of God explicitly states.

What an ugly thing to say.

 

[Dr. Walter]

What an ugly thing to say.

Is it "ugly" or is it "truth"? Is there no distinction between "thought" and "intents"? Is there no difference between bone "morrow" and bone "joints"? That is the position you have to take in order to justify the interpretation that "spirit" and "soul" in this same text are synonyms without any distinction. The "truth" is your interpretation is "ugly" as it distorts this text. Sorry, but "truth" is not always pleasant to hear.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Is it "ugly" or is it "truth"? as it distorts this text. Sorry, but "truth" is not always pleasant to hear.

I think YOUR view of the truth of this passage is wrong.....but I won't say "excuses not to beleive what the Word of God explicitly states".

 

[Dr. Walter]

I think YOUR view of the truth of this passage is wrong.....but I won't say "excuses not to beleive what the Word of God explicitly states".

Hebrews 4:12 explicitly states that the Word of God distinguishes between "spirit" and "soul" and what you have given are not just "excuses" but obvious irrational excuses to not believe what it literally, explicitly and actually says.

 

[webdog]

Hebrews 4:12 explicitly states that the Word of God distinguishes between "spirit" and "soul" and what you have given are not just "excuses" but obvious irrational excuses to not believe what it literally, explicitly and actually says.

As has been pointed out to you already, it says no such thing...it is clearly eisegesis to come to that conclusion based on that text. In fact that passage supports man's dichotomy consisting of material (joints / marrow) and immaterial (soul / spirit) and how the Word cuts deep and separates the spirit from the flesh.

You never did answer why the Word of God needs to divide the joints from marrow or the purpose of doing so, btw.

 

[Dr. Walter]

As has been pointed out to you already, it says no such thing...it is clearly eisegesis to come to that conclusion based on that text. In fact that passage supports man's dichotomy consisting of material (joints / marrow) and immaterial (soul / spirit) and how the Word cuts deep and separates the spirit from the flesh.

You never did answer why the Word of God needs to divide the joints from marrow or the purpose of doing so, btw.

Your eisegetical interpretation is no better than his. The writer adds a third perspective or grouping that you coveniently omit. You omit it because it does not fit with only TWO aspects that correspond with your view of TWO basic aspects of material and immaterial. There is no room for a THIRD grouping in your TWO aspect analysis.

The writers point is that there is nothing within the complex nature and make up of man, that cannot be distinguished by God or hidden from God's sight:

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

The "joints" and "morrow" represent the deepest diversity within the physical frame of the material man. The "spirit" and "soul" represent the deepest diversity within the immatieral man. The "thoughts" and "intents" of the heart represent the deepest diversity within the soul or conscious self of man.

 

[Cutter]

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Dr. Walter]

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yeah, I know, but that text is too obvious for these brethren to grasp (grin).

 

[Jedi Knight]

Yeah, I know, but that text is too obvious for these brethren to grasp (grin).

Jesus words are pretty clear "casting BOTH body AND soul into Hell".....He left NOTHING out. You sure jump this passage like Evel Knievel and then lower yourself "with above comment" to belittle other believers to make yourself look smart. Perhaps you should refresh yourself on one of the seven things God hates.

 

[Dr. Walter]

Jesus words are pretty clear "casting BOTH body AND soul into Hell".....He left NOTHING out. You sure jump this passage like Evel Knievel and then lower yourself "with above comment" to belittle other believers to make yourself look smart. Perhaps you should refresh yourself on one of the seven things God hates.

You need to take a walk and lighten up. I placed a "(grin)" at the end of my comment.

hell is a place of CONSCIOUS torment and the immaterial aspect that conveys self-consciousness is the "soul." There are many instances when the whole man is represented by the body, or by the soul or by the spirit and that does not mean there is repudiation of the other aspects.

However, your interpretation is a clear repudiation of other immaterial aspects of the human nature that the Word of God declares to exist (Heb. 4:12; 1 Thes. 5:23). So, take your own medicene (grin).

 

[Jedi Knight]

However, your interpretation is

You should go back and reread Spurgeon whom you pointed at earlier.....He was right the first time.

 

[webdog]

Yeah, I know, but that text is too obvious for these brethren to grasp (grin).

That is simply speaking of the wholeness of man. The soul is the whole of man's body and spirit. I remember reading about the Titanic and the reference to thousands of "souls" that perished that day. Even that was speaking to the individual being made up of material and immaterial and the soul being the "whole package".

 

[webdog]

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are also told to love the Lord with all of our body, soul, mind and strength as well. Add the spirit and are we now 5 parts?

 

[Cutter]

We are also told to love the Lord with all of our body, soul, mind and strength as well. Add the spirit and are we now 5 parts?

Duh...is the mind not part of the body? Is our strength not fueled by our spirit? That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. If we did not have a spirit we could not bear witness with God concerning the assurance of our salvation.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God...

 

[percho]

Duh...is the mind not part of the body? Is our strength not fueled by our spirit? That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. If we did not have a spirit we could not bear witness with God concerning the assurance of our salvation.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God...

What is the meaning of is?

 

[Cutter]

What is the meaning of is?

You must know, you just used it to ask the question?

 

[Dr. Walter]

We are also told to love the Lord with all of our body, soul, mind and strength as well. Add the spirit and are we now 5 parts?

I have previously covered this text in great detail. The term "soul" is also translated "life" because our inward conscious self (mind, emotions and will) is expressed by what we say and do or our daily life - the outward expression of our inward conscious activity. Mind = intellect, heart = emotions; Stength = will power that transferrs the inward expression of mind and heart into outward action.

The bottom line is that the Word of God says there is a distinction between spirit and soul and you flatly repudiate the Word of God.

 

[webdog]

Duh...is the mind not part of the body?

The brain is...is that what you are referring to? Thoughts are not material, are they? Are you claiming the brain and mind are one in the same? I wouldn't be so quick with the "duh" comment...

That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. If we did not have a spirit we could not bear witness with God concerning the assurance of our salvation.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God...

I agree with percho...what are you talking about? I do not deny man is made up of spirit. Man is material and material (dichotomous)

 

[webdog]

I have previously covered this text in great detail. The term "soul" is also translated "life" because our inward conscious self (mind, emotions and will) is expressed by what we say and do or our daily life - the outward expression of our inward conscious activity. Mind = intellect, heart = emotions; Stength = will power that transferrs the inward expression of mind and heart into outward action.

The bottom line is that the Word of God says there is a distinction between spirit and soul and you flatly repudiate the Word of God.

The Word of God says no such thing...Dr. Walter says the Word of God says there is a distinction...HUGE difference.