Time of Creation

[37818]

Heaven was singular.

The Hebrew translated "heaven" is הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם
Has it's plural ending.

 

[JD731]

2 Peter 3:8, . . . But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . . .

John 6:44, . . . No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Revelation 20:6, . . . Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. . . .

Exactly!

Re 20;6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (the 7th day, the sabbath)

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

If anybody insists that this prophecy has already come to pass I am calling in the Shrink to see if there is any help for him.

This is the sabbath day of God and all the earth is at rest and Jesus Christ is ruling along with all resurrected saints. Three in one and one in three. The first resurrection has the trinitarian signature on it but it is one.

Jesus and OT saints, the church, and finally, the tribulation saints, those under the throne in Re 6. So in Jewish harvest speak, the firstfruits of the harvest, the main harvest, and the gleanings.This answers to the first resurrection. For the resurrection of the unjust, wait 1000 years and read Re 20:11-15.

 

[percho]

I do. The creation is 6000 years old, or mighty close, as men count time. It is six days old as God reckons time. I am not guessing about that. It is written in scriptures by Peter.

I wonder if some will enter his rest at the beginning of the seventh day? What about at the end of the seventh day?

 

[JD731]

I wonder if some will enter his rest at the beginning of the seventh day? What about at the end of the seventh day?

There are 15 verses in Re 20. If the first 10 verses are not tue, neither are the last 5. Therefore you have nothing to worry about. Live free and die.

 

[Van]

there is no "guessing", what the days in Genesis 1 are. it is very clear by the terms "evening and morning", that no more than 24 hours are meant for each day, which is the literal meaning.

The days are NOT "periods of time", which leaves it open to either short or long periods, which then can mean hundreds or thousands, or millions of hours in each DAY!

This is the sort of nonsense spewed constantly by YEC's. What you might ask marked the morning of Day 1 of creation? Did the sun rise? Nope, there was no sun. How about evening? Did the sun set? Nope, there was no sun. But if morning and evening do not refer to sunrise and sunset, how do we know they must refer to a 24 hour day? We do not.

But on and on, the YEC will continue to claim to know what is only their interpretation, not shared by equally qualified bible students. Just read Genesis 1:14 and you will see the sun did not "govern" the day and night until Creation day 4.

 

[37818]

Nope, there was no sun.

Maybe. There exists an interpretertion the Sun was lit up on the first day. And the Sun, and Moon became visible as distinct lights by the four day. By means of the Sun's stellar wind.

Astronomy & Astrophysics 101: Stellar Wind

 

[Van]

I did not see anywhere in the linked article where Genesis 1 interpretation was presented. Obviously if you think Genesis 1:16 does not mean God made the sun and the moon, you would need to provide another interpret ion. God made them on Day 4 to govern the day and night so to claim Days 1, 2 and 3 were governed by the twenty four hour cycle of the earth spinning before the sun, has no basis in scripture.

 

[37818]

I did not see anywhere in the linked article where Genesis 1 interpretation was presented. Obviously if you think Genesis 1:16 does not mean God made the sun and the moon, you would need to provide another interpret ion. God made them on Day 4 to govern the day and night so to claim Days 1, 2 and 3 were governed by the twenty four hour cycle of the earth spinning before the sun, has no basis in scripture.

The mean velocity of the Solar wind between the Sun and Earth at 93 million miles is 310 miles per second. Or about 3.47 days.

Not proof, but a plausible explanation for the fourth day, the Sun and Moon became visible as distinct lights.

 

[Van]

The mean velocity of the Solar wind between the Sun and Earth at 93 million miles is 310 miles per second. Or about 3.47 days.

Not proof, but a plausible explanation for the fourth day, the Sun and Moon became visible as distinct lights.

Plausible only if you deny God made the sun on Day 4 of creation.

You do know that light travels from the Sun to the Earth in about 8 or 9 minutes.

 

[37818]

Plausible only if you deny God made the sun on Day 4 of creation.

It does not say the Sun and Moon were made. It does say God made them to be two lights. Big difference.

 

[Van]

It does not say the Sun and Moon were made. It does say God made them to be two lights. Big difference.

Good Grief!!

I assume the lights were the sun and the moon.

 

[37818]

Good Grief!!

I assume the lights were the sun and the moon.

Genesis 1:16, And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: . . .
And the Sun and Moon were used by God ti make those two lights.
I belive the Sun was made as the light on the first day. And was made a distinct light on the fourth day.

 

[Van]

Genesis 1:16, And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: . . .
And the Sun and Moon were used by God ti make those two lights.
I believe the Sun was made as the light on the first day. And was made a distinct light on the fourth day.

Why does Psalms 74:16 indicate the same action (prepared or established) for both the light and the sun?

 

[Deacon]

Quoted from The Lost World of Genesis One. (p.26).
“I propose that people in the ancient world believed that something existed not by virtue of its material properties, but by virtue of its having a function in an ordered system. Here I do not refer to an ordered system in scientific terms, but an ordered system in human terms, that is, in relation to society and culture. In this sort of functional ontology, the sun does not exist by virtue of its material properties, or even by its function as a burning ball of gas. Rather it exists by virtue of the role that it has in its sphere of existence, particularly in the way that it functions for humankind and human society.”

“So on day one God created the basis for time; day two the basis for weather; and day three the basis for food. These three great functions—time, weather and food—are the foundation of life. If we desire to see the greatest work of the Creator, it is not to be found in the materials that he brought together—it is that he brought them together in such a way that they work.
The Lost World of Genesis One. John H. Walton. p. 58.

Genesis 8:22:
As long as the earth endures,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Summer and winter,
Day and night
Will never cease.​

Here we find the same three major functions in reverse order: food, weather and time, never to cease.(ibid. p. 59.)


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[percho]

Genesis 1:16, And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: . . .
And the Sun and Moon were used by God ti make those two lights.
I belive the Sun was made as the light on the first day. And was made a distinct light on the fourth day.

God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

I believe the above is the light of Gen 1:3.

 

[37818]

God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

I believe the above is the light of Gen 1:3.

I believe the Sun was made on the first day. I have no reason not to.
For the Lord Jesus Christ is the true Light. John 1:9, John 9:5. And He is the Creator, John 1:3.

 

[percho]

I believe the Sun was made on the first day. I have no reason not to.
For the Lord Jesus Christ is the true Light. John 1:9, John 9:5. And He is the Creator, John 1:3.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:1

I believe the sun was inclusive in that statement.

I believe the Word of God shows from Gen 1:3 forward is to overcome what began in Genesis 1:2 and forward.

I believe Gen 1:2 is the result of the works of the devil the sinner from the beginning 1 John 3:8 including spiritual wickedness in the heavens Eph 6:12.

Beginning with Gen 1:3 and forward this would be done through flesh and blood, Adam the figure of him to come Rom 5:12 unto the Word made flesh, the Son of God, and they called his name Jesus, the Anointed.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2 Peter 3:5

I believe that to be the earth of Gen 1:2 standing in the water and out of the water. Why was the earth in that condition? Did God create it in that condition? Did spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies have anything to do with the earth becoming in that condition?

Was in Gen 1:2 The KJV translates Strong's H1961 in the following manner: was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained, better for thee.

 

[37818]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:1

I believe the sun was inclusive in that statement.

I believe the Word of God shows from Gen 1:3 forward is to overcome what began in Genesis 1:2 and forward.

I believe Gen 1:2 is the result of the works of the devil the sinner from the beginning 1 John 3:8 including spiritual wickedness in the heavens Eph 6:12.

Beginning with Gen 1:3 and forward this would be done through flesh and blood, Adam the figure of him to come Rom 5:12 unto the Word made flesh, the Son of God, and they called his name Jesus, the Anointed.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2 Peter 3:5

I believe that to be the earth of Gen 1:2 standing in the water and out of the water. Why was the earth in that condition? Did God create it in that condition? Did spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies have anything to do with the earth becoming in that condition?

Was in Gen 1:2 The KJV translates Strong's H1961 in the following manner: was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained, better for thee.

You read a lot into Genesis 1:2.

Now the Andromeda Galaxy has by observations and measurementments and by physics and mathematics been determined to be seen being some 2.5 millions light years in our past.

 

[Baptist Believer]

When does the Bible say people were created

It doesn't.

When does the Bible say the earth was created?

It was created "in the beginning." (Genesis 1:1) Everything that comes after this verse is about separating, shaping, and purposing what was created. The scriptures are not interested in, nor intended to be used for, establishing the age of the material world.

 

[timtofly]

Do you know the function of a conjunction?

Thirty of the thirty one verses in chapter 1 begins with one.

Then in chapter two we have this.


Genesis 2:1-3
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. .


Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

God says he counts a thousand years as a day and a day as a thousand years. If you do not accept that you will struggle to understand him. The heaven and the earth were created in the beginning of day one, he says.

The first 6 days of creation were a thousand years prior to the planting of the Garden of Eden.

While Adam was just one son of God created on the 6th day, they all multiplied and subdued the earth for many generations for a thousand years. The Sabbath was a Day of the Lord. But the individual days of creation were 24 hour days. 12 hours of light, and 12 hours of evening.

That is the only logical, Scriptural explanation.

Which means that for the first 1,000 years nothing died, which is exactly what the next few verses literally say.

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

A plant seed of any type even a tree, when falling to the ground, would die, according to Paul, and a new plant or tree would spring up. No plants and no trees died, nor did any new ones ever spring up. There were not any cursed plants like weeds and thistles, that would grow wild. There was not any decay at all. So how does the half life of any physical process work, if there is no decay nor death, which is when atoms cease to exist in one form and change to another form?

That would explain evolution, as there was none for one thousand years. The distance of the stars is a totally different explanation.

It would also make evolution more complicated. Because most think evolution was built into the earth at the very beginning on the first day. It was not. Evolution happened after Adam disobeyed, and sin placed creation under bondage of death and decay. Even creationist may balk at this, but it is consistent with Scripture, though not human understanding.

BTW, the 6th day was near 5,000 BC, not 4000 BC.