To Those Casting a McCain Vote

[saturneptune]

Are you casting a vote for McCain because you feel he is the man to lead this country and he reflects most of your values and beliefs?

or

Are you casting a vote for McCain because he is the lesser of two evils? If you are in this catagory, how much do you think you are compromising your beliefs to cast the vote?

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Are you casting a vote for McCain because you feel he is the man to lead this country and he reflects most of your values and beliefs?

or

Are you casting a vote for McCain because he is the lesser of two evils? If you are in this catagory, how much do you think you are compromising your beliefs to cast the vote?

Good question SN. Earlier in this race my answer might have been different, but let me tell you how I got here.

In the 2000 race I was a strong McCain supporter. I was living in SC at the time. Then McCain turned on Bob Jones for having George Bush speak there (McCain was also invited). Anyway I swore off McCain that day, took down my signs and said I would never support him again. His liberal stand on education, campaign reform, and global warming only reinforced to me that I could never support McCain.

During the primaries this time around I supported Duncan Hunter and was very disappointed when he dropped out before we even got to vote in NC. I was planning to vote Barr out of protest.

Then McCain picked Palin and all of a sudden I had someone to support, someone who really seemed to represent my values and beliefs. Yea, she is only VP but hey McCain’s old. I would love to see Sarah as POTUS.

Then I read McCain’s book, “Faith of My Fathers.” Wow, what a book. Hearing John’s story from his own perspective I can now support him fully. My hurt feelings from what I viewed as betrayal in 2000 is now past. I disagree with John McCain on several issues but overall he does represent my values and beliefs. And he is the man to lead our country. He has the leadership, the trials, and the experience to do the job. He has lived a real life, accomplished real things, made real mistakes, but learned from them. The more I have read and learned the more respect I have for John. Unlike Obama, who the more I read and learn about the more I cringe and fear for our nation’s future.

If you really want a comparison between the two go back to that question that Rick Warren asked them both about the, "Most gut-wrenching decision you’ve ever had to make." Obama named his opposition to the war in Iraq. McCain named his decision to uphold the code of conduct and remain a prisoner in North Vietnam. Now which of those do you think was a harder decision? Which one represents a man with the real life experience to be our president?

So to answer your question SN, Yes, I feel John McCain is the man to lead our nation and reflects most of my beliefs and values. I think he would be a greater president than we have had in 40 years or more, and yes I know that includes Ronald Reagan. I also am afraid he does not have much of a shot of winning now.

 

[just-want-peace]

Then McCain picked Palin and all of a sudden I had someone to support, someone who really seemed to represent my values and beliefs. Yea, she is only VP but hey McCain’s old. I would love to see Sarah as POTUS.

Total agreement here!

JM is far too liberal for my tastes (Immigration, finance reform, bailout, etc, etc) BUT, he is so far superior to the alternative ----!

As I read somewhere not long ago, God will not hold you responsible for the choices you didn't have (so much for the "perfect candidate), but for those you DO have. Right now the only choice you really have is Obama or McCain.

So, if you consider Christian principles as your guide, which do you pick? For me the choice is crystal clear!!!

Also, and this was a biggie, the next in line for the POTUS should something happen to M is Sarah. I see it as unlikely that M will run again in '12, so that puts her in a choice spot to fill his vacancy.

And that is also far superior to the options should the pendulum swing the other way.

'Course I'll be the first to admit that I am strongly biased to the right, unlike so many of our resident liberals who can be so objective in their opinions.

 

[windcatcher]

'Course I'll be the first to admit that I am strongly biased to the right, unlike so many of our resident liberals who can be so objective in their opinions.

Correction:
Course I'll be the first to admit that I am strongly biased to the right, unlike so many of our resident liberals who think only they are so objective in their opinions..... Now I agree!

 

[LeBuick]

I have to admit, looking at Palin these past few days she appears more presidential than when she kept reading that same speech with the bridge to nowhere. I noticed she is also speaking in a lower pitch which makes her sound less cheerleadery and more authoritative. She has come an awfully long way in these two months that it's almost like night and day. Her coaches have done well which is not a dig since all politicians are taught these things.

If McCain Palin do make office she will be a no brainer for future POTUS.

If she doesn't make office, her Governorship will be the most scrutinized in history which is a test she'll have to pass to make it through the republican primaries.

 

[ray Marshall]

Are you casting a vote for McCain because you feel he is the man to lead this country and he reflects most of your values and beliefs?

or

Are you casting a vote for McCain because he is the lesser of two evils? If you are in this catagory, how much do you think you are compromising your beliefs to cast the vote?

Regarding the vote for either it is assumed that both are evil.

 

[monk]

So, if you consider Christian principles as your guide, which do you pick? For me the choice is crystal clear!!!

Really?
First let me say I'm not voting for Senator Obama.
Second:
Really? Can a person use their Christian principles and decide not to vote for any of these jokers?
Sarah Palin could be the strongest Christian on the planet and still be unfit to run a powerful country in a very anti-american world.

 

[dan e.]

Saying that we must vote for one of two, or that these two are our only options, is just as undemocratic as the socialist views people accuse Obama of holding.

There is a resounding "DUH" as to recognizing one of these two people will win....however, democracy allows us to change that, if people would actually vote for whom they believe to be the best fit than voting on "the lesser of two evils".

Hasn't anyone noticed it is always going to be the lesser of two evils when we only act as if we have two options?

 

[LeBuick]

Saying that we must vote for one of two, or that these two are our only options, is just as undemocratic as the socialist views people accuse Obama of holding.

There is a resounding "DUH" as to recognizing one of these two people will win....however, democracy allows us to change that, if people would actually vote for whom they believe to be the best fit than voting on "the lesser of two evils".

Hasn't anyone noticed it is always going to be the lesser of two evils when we only act as if we have two options?

As an example, I just picked up my ballot today and it has 16 set's of candidates.

 

[windcatcher]

Saying that we must vote for one of two, or that these two are our only options, is just as undemocratic as the socialist views people accuse Obama of holding.

There is a resounding "DUH" as to recognizing one of these two people will win....however, democracy allows us to change that, if people would actually vote for whom they believe to be the best fit than voting on "the lesser of two evils".

Hasn't anyone noticed it is always going to be the lesser of two evils when we only act as if we have two options?

Very well said, dan e.:applause:
Until people see that a 3rd or 4th party is a choice.... and vote their convictions instead of their pride in party allegiance, or their 'choice' of the two most probable winners... trying to pick the 'lessor' of two 'evils' ....... they will not use the gift of choice to bring about real change.
When enough votes differ from 'the mainstream status quo' it forces notice: It may even win..... if not this year....then one year. It takes a spark to start a fire.

 

[carpro]

... how much do you think you are compromising your beliefs to cast the vote?

You ask this while your vote will possibly help Obama get elected?

You live in a glass house, my friend.

 

[saturneptune]

You ask this while your vote will possibly help Obama get elected?

You live in a glass house, my friend.

Well, my friend, the ONLY reason a radical liberal like Obama is on the verge of being elected President, is that your former governor did not do his job as President for the last eight years. The American people would never elect someone like that in normal times. The people are so angry, no outraged at the last eight years of inept leadership, they do not care who they elect, only that it is not associated with Bush. They are seeing red anger, not reflecting on their values, and quite frankly, I do not agree with that, but do understand it. No one has any room to ever talk about Carter again, bad as he was.

 

[dan e.]

You ask this while your vote will possibly help Obama get elected?

So you're wanting to strip the right of actually voting for someone else on the ballot? You need to stop blaming those who are voting for whomever they wish, as if it is their fault. You realize that Obama may win....not because myself or saturneptune are not voting for McCain....but because people are voting for Obama.

Seriously....the more afraid you guys get of Obama, you become as equally undemocratic as his socialist leaning views on economy.

Blame those that actually vote for him.

 

[Salty]

Some folks will think if they vote 3rd party, the candidate they definitely don't want may win by plurality vote.
Since I don't want to Hijack this thread, I have started a poll about majority vs plurality.

 

[carpro]

Well, my friend, the ONLY reason a radical liberal like Obama is on the verge of being elected President, is that your former governor did not do his job as President for the last eight years. .

You really should control your anger and try to focus.

McCain is the topic.

 

[carpro]

So you're wanting to strip the right of actually voting for someone else on the ballot?

Don't be ridiculous.

Vote for whoever you wish, but try to remember your vote may have unintended consequences.

Unless , of course, it's really your intent to help elect Obama.

 

[Alcott]

I vote for The Rifleman as the lesser of evils... which is always the case in voting.

 

[Salty]

I vote for The Rifleman as the lesser of evils... which is always the case in voting.

Are you saying "Vote first then ask questions"

 

[JustChristian]

Good question SN. Earlier in this race my answer might have been different, but let me tell you how I got here.

In the 2000 race I was a strong McCain supporter. I was living in SC at the time. Then McCain turned on Bob Jones for having George Bush speak there (McCain was also invited). Anyway I swore off McCain that day, took down my signs and said I would never support him again. His liberal stand on education, campaign reform, and global warming only reinforced to me that I could never support McCain.

During the primaries this time around I supported Duncan Hunter and was very disappointed when he dropped out before we even got to vote in NC. I was planning to vote Barr out of protest.

Then McCain picked Palin and all of a sudden I had someone to support, someone who really seemed to represent my values and beliefs. Yea, she is only VP but hey McCain’s old. I would love to see Sarah as POTUS.

Then I read McCain’s book, “Faith of My Fathers.” Wow, what a book. Hearing John’s story from his own perspective I can now support him fully. My hurt feelings from what I viewed as betrayal in 2000 is now past. I disagree with John McCain on several issues but overall he does represent my values and beliefs. And he is the man to lead our country. He has the leadership, the trials, and the experience to do the job. He has lived a real life, accomplished real things, made real mistakes, but learned from them. The more I have read and learned the more respect I have for John. Unlike Obama, who the more I read and learn about the more I cringe and fear for our nation’s future.

If you really want a comparison between the two go back to that question that Rick Warren asked them both about the, "Most gut-wrenching decision you’ve ever had to make." Obama named his opposition to the war in Iraq. McCain named his decision to uphold the code of conduct and remain a prisoner in North Vietnam. Now which of those do you think was a harder decision? Which one represents a man with the real life experience to be our president?

So to answer your question SN, Yes, I feel John McCain is the man to lead our nation and reflects most of my beliefs and values. I think he would be a greater president than we have had in 40 years or more, and yes I know that includes Ronald Reagan. I also am afraid he does not have much of a shot of winning now.

How many of our Presidents, let alone the great ones, have been prisoners of war. I'm really not certain that makes any difference at all. For instance, Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Truman, JFK. None of those were prisoners of war. We need a great leader, not necessarily an ex-prisoner of war. We also must change the failed Republican policies of the last 8 years. The events of the lasst 6 months clearly indicate that we need a change.

 

[Revmitchell]

How many of our Presidents, let alone the great ones, have been prisoners of war. I'm really not certain that makes any difference at all. For instance, Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Truman, JFK. None of those were prisoners of war. We need a great leader, not necessarily an ex-prisoner of war. We also must change the failed Republican policies of the last 8 years. The events of the lasst 6 months clearly indicate that we need a change.

This has been debunked already. The current financial crisis is a result fo the libs who pushed for weak home loans and when the Repubs tried to bring it under control in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2007 the Dems were all up in arms that the Repubs were using a scare tactic. They insisted that there was no problem looming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

The entire problem is a result of Clinton policies.

Predatory lending was not an invention of the Bush administration. High-interest payday loans and subprime mortgages took off under Clinton. The morals of the marketplace were once again, “Buyer beware.” Many loans, tellingly referred to as “teaser loans,” were structured so that the monthly mortgage payments would start off low and rise significantly in the future, even while the overall loan amount—the outstanding principal—would also rise. The borrower would end up worse off several years into the mortgage than when the loan began.

But none of this was considered overly problematic by the Clinton White House. There was simply too much money to be made by lenders, brokers, bankers, bond insurers, ratings agencies, engineers of securitized assets, and managers of special investment vehicles and hedge funds. There was also too much to be gained by elected officials and regulators looking the other way.

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=1229