Today, I have "fathered" you?

[Ascetic X]

You keep confusing “mind”, “soul”, and “spirit”.

Apollonarianism stated that Jesus did not have a human mind. Scripture does not support this view that Jesus was only partially human, as you suggest.

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…

To be made flesh means to have a human body and mind.

Thus, this heresy does not accept that Jesus was fully human. A human is both body and mind.

You may embrace Apollonarianism and that’s your choice. But orthodox Christianity rejected it in the very early days of the church.

 

[Van]

You keep confusing “mind”, “soul”, and “spirit”.

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Did you address Jesus only had One spirit? Nope.

Did I confuse mind with the conjecture that only the mind of a human spirit could be tempted? Nope

Did I claim Jesus had a Divine Soul and a human Soul? Nope

Did I claim Jesus had a Divine Spirit and a Human Spirit? Nope

My view is based on what scripture says, NOT on the conjecture of humans.

Did I claim Christ's mind could NOT be tempted as a "human mind?" Nope

To be made of flesh means to have a human brain intertwined with either a human spirit or a divine spirit.

Jesus was fully human and fully divine. To claim He must have two spirits one human and one divine is hogwash. He had One spirit.

I do not "embrace" Apollonarianism," that is your false claim. I embrace Scripture.

 

[Van]

Folks, Jesus had One Spirit, NOT two. That is scripture. The Second Person of the Trinity became flesh, NOT flesh and spirit. That addition is based NOT on scripture but on conjecture. It is heresy.

 

[Van]

How many "spirits" did Jesus give up in Matthew 27:50? One or two.?

How many "spirits" did Jesus give up in John 19:30? One or two?

How many "spirits" did Jesus entrust in Luke 23:46? One or two?

Either we believe Scripture or we believe in Human Conjecture.

Did Jesus give up the Spirit of Logos, the Second Person of the Trinity, or a created human spirit?

 

[Ascetic X]

Folks, Jesus had One Spirit, NOT two. That is scripture. The Second Person of the Trinity became flesh, NOT flesh and spirit. That addition is based NOT on scripture but on conjecture. It is heresy.

Folks, Jesus was fully human, not partially human.

Either we believe orthodox Christianity or we believe heresy. Either scripture or philosophy.

Jesus was fully God and fully man. No Baptist would dare to dispute this.

To believe Jesus did not have a human mind is not Baptist theology. It is Apollonarianism, which was rejected as heresy in 381 AD.

No living entity becomes flesh with just a body. Flesh consists of body and mind. Jesus had human body and human mind. But His mind was subjected to God’s will at all times. This is why we can also strive to have a mind subjected to God’s will. We can put on the obedient mind of Christ.

If the mind of Jesus was divine and not human:

* Jesus was only partially human and not fully human
* Jesus could not have been tempted like we are
* Jesus could not have grown in knowledge
* Jesus would not have said His words were not His own, but were the Father’s
* Jesus would not have to make the choice between obedience and disobedience
* Jesus would not have to prefer and submit to His Father’s will, since Jesus’ will would have been identical with His Father’s will
* Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane would not have asked His Father to remove the cup of God’s wrath if possible
* Jesus would not have been in human likeness, which is human mind and human body


Philippians 2:5-8

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[Van]

Did Jesus need to have a "fallen" or "sinful" nature to be "fully" human? Could Jesus be sinless and be "made a sinner?" Inquiring minds want to know.

My view, based on scripture is that Jesus did NOT have a fallen nature, His divine Spirit was not distorted with the consequence of Adam's sin. He was NOT a "made sinner." Romans 5:19.

But He did have a "human nature" subject to the needs and desires of the flesh. He was tempted in every way humans are. He could get hungry, and He could get angry. He could desire to avoid pain and suffering. But His commitment to do His Father's will never wavered.

 

[Van]

Did anyone say Jesus did not have a "human mind?"

Does flesh consist of body and "mind?" Nope. That is human conjecture NOT supported by scripture.

Where does scripture say Jesus had the mind that was NOT divine? If we are indwelt we have "the mind of Christ." Sounds like a divine mind.

I addressed Jesus learning, but my position is ignored.

Jesus is a separate Person from the Father, therefore He has will, emotion and intellect, and when He became flesh, received the needs and desires of the flesh, making Him fully human and fully God.

The claim Jesus was a NOT a separate Person of the Trinity is simply another heresy.

Philippians 2:5-8 supports that Jesus was divine, but humbled Himself and became in the likeness of man. Open to temptation just like us.

And Note folks, has this bible student presented any verse indicating Jesus had more than One Spirit, or has he denied Jesus had a Divine Spirit, the Second Person of the Trinity?